Question about APA rule and also a funny rule you might not know of.
- Thread starter spindoctor9
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I just find it amsuing that we have close to 100 posts about something that is pretty simple. I understand the contention with the way the rules are worded but at the same time they really are pretty clear. The point they become not clear is when somebody decides to shoot regular shots with a break cue with a leather tip. Obviously the rules were not written with regards to people trying to do things like that.
And this is why lawyers have jobs. Also, remember, there is no APA where I am, my interest is in the rule. I have no need or circumventing a rule for a league in another country playing, or circumventing them in general. Hell, explain your rules as we go, I'm not terribly worried.
What I care about is how one persons gets away with something, but others don't. That's it, that's all. If the rule is ambiguous that's what happens.
By arrogant pool halls, I mean those who think having the league present is a pain in the a$$. Sorry I got off topic a little. They do nothing about players' simple requests.
My break cue is a custom 60", 2-piece with a lyptus wood shaft with a G10 tip/ferrule. It does not have any wording/lettering on it saying it is a "break cue" (it has NO words of ANY kind on it). If I ground the G10 tip down flat and installed a leather Samsara break/jump tip on it, what (by a rule interpretation) would prevent me from using this cue as my "regular" shooting cue? And....don't think for a second that I couldn't jump with it. FTR, I am NOT going to do this, but...........
On a similar note, what if I took a BK2 and sanded all the lettering off of it and used it for my regular shooting cue? What makes the cue "non-regular" then? The tip? Well hell, I'll just put the Samsara leather tip on it too and use it as a "regular" shooting cue. How would it then be different than anyone elses 58", 2-piece cue with a hard leather tip that they are using? And....I bet I could jump just fine with it too.
The point I am making is that the rules CAN be manipulated, and legally so. Like another poster said, "Do we need to bring the lawyers in?".
I think the best answer to the situation is for the bars/poolhalls to post many and large signs around their establishments stating whether or not jump shots and/or masse' shots are legal in their establishments. I used to play league out of a bar that didn't allow jump or masse' shots but only had one, smallish sign in a kind of dark, obscure part of the bar where it was hard to see it. Whenever an opponent of mine would jack-up about to try a jump or masse', I'd inform him that the shot he was about to take is NOT legal in this bar. If he protested that it is not "posted" anywhere, I'd holler over to the owner and ask her from across the room (for ALL to hear) if jump/masse' shots were allowed in her bar and she would holler back "NO". Problem solved because APA rules stated (I don't know if they still do) that these shots COULD NOT be attempted if the bar/poolhall did not allow them.
Maniac
On a similar note, what if I took a BK2 and sanded all the lettering off of it and used it for my regular shooting cue? What makes the cue "non-regular" then? The tip? Well hell, I'll just put the Samsara leather tip on it too and use it as a "regular" shooting cue. How would it then be different than anyone elses 58", 2-piece cue with a hard leather tip that they are using? And....I bet I could jump just fine with it too.
The point I am making is that the rules CAN be manipulated, and legally so. Like another poster said, "Do we need to bring the lawyers in?".
I think the best answer to the situation is for the bars/poolhalls to post many and large signs around their establishments stating whether or not jump shots and/or masse' shots are legal in their establishments. I used to play league out of a bar that didn't allow jump or masse' shots but only had one, smallish sign in a kind of dark, obscure part of the bar where it was hard to see it. Whenever an opponent of mine would jack-up about to try a jump or masse', I'd inform him that the shot he was about to take is NOT legal in this bar. If he protested that it is not "posted" anywhere, I'd holler over to the owner and ask her from across the room (for ALL to hear) if jump/masse' shots were allowed in her bar and she would holler back "NO". Problem solved because APA rules stated (I don't know if they still do) that these shots COULD NOT be attempted if the bar/poolhall did not allow them.
Maniac