Question about CB draw on the break

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bdorman

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I normally break 9-ball from the right, at the headstring, one diamond in from the rail with at least a full tip of draw. It works well for me, pocketing at least the right wing ball and the 1-ball and CB coming back up table.

But sometimes the CB rockets to the foot rail as though I'd put follow on the CB. I know it's not follow. I'm no "perfect stroker" but my break stroke is controlled enough to achieve draw rather than follow!

Is there a chance that the CB is "flipping" after hitting the 1-ball? The CB does "pop" into the air pretty regularly; maybe it's rolling over in the air and landing 180-degrees upside-down?

Does this make sense? Is it common? Any cure or is it just bad luck?
 
I believe that happens when you drop ur elbow into ur stroke, I remember shane was doing doing that and Jeanette was commentating, and she mentioned that happens when u really drop ur elbow on the break. I picked up on it and experimented and it did work.
 
If the cue ball travels forward as though it has top spin, it's because it was hit above center.

It is true that, if the cue ball is hit with very little back spin or with no spin, and it hits the front ball of the rack high (equator above equator), that it can take on a friction induced top spin. However, the amount of this top spin is extremely small and doesn't have enough energy to really do much.

Suffice it to say that the obvious answer, even though you don't think you're doing it, is that you are hitting it above center.

It's the only logical answer.


Royce
 
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One reason I stopped using my break cue and am using a playing cue bought to break with is I was mishitting the CB and I don't need all the power I can generate. I have found on the tables I usually play on like a medium speed break to make the wing ball. I try to control the one ball so I have a shot when I make the wing ball. BTW - I break about 4 inches to the right of the head string spot with a high bridge hand so I am hitting a bit down on the CB. Ball is probably air borne when it hits but I seem to get really good spreads with this technique.

Al
 
I aim like I'm going to hit the cloth right before the cue ball. By the time I break it hits center ball.

I practice my break every day with a break speed app. I can crush the rack and park whitey in the center around 22mph but whenever I accidentally put follow on the cue ball, it clocks at around 18mph. Avoid follow at all costs.


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bdorman said:
I normally break 9-ball from the right, at the headstring, one diamond in from the rail with at least a full tip of draw. It works well for me, pocketing at least the right wing ball and the 1-ball and CB coming back up table.

But sometimes the CB rockets to the foot rail as though I'd put follow on the CB. I know it's not follow. I'm no "perfect stroker" but my break stroke is controlled enough to achieve draw rather than follow!

Is there a chance that the CB is "flipping" after hitting the 1-ball? The CB does "pop" into the air pretty regularly; maybe it's rolling over in the air and landing 180-degrees upside-down?

Does this make sense? Is it common? Any cure or is it just bad luck?
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Spin doesn't "flip over", which is why gyroscopic stabilizers are a thing.

There are two ways for the CB to end up with that top spin you're seeing when it finishes bouncing off the rack. One is that you hit it above center. Another is that the CB was slightly airborne when it hit the one, and this below-center contact on the leading edge of the CB creates top spin.

I doubt that second effect would create very much, if any, top-spin on a CB that was struck below center. If you're seeing the CB rocket to the foot rail, I think you have to be hitting above center.

Elbow drop can do this, as can the cue rising slightly off your bridge during the forward stroke. You're using so much more force than you do on a normal shot, that strange things can happen without your awareness.

-Andrew
 
Haha sorry man, you're just hitting low. User error.
The cue ball is not sideways somersaulting 180 degrees in midair during the pop.

At break speed, even 5 millimeters too low can turn into "Holy shit rocket draw".
You just have to be careful. Use a striped ball as your cue ball to confirm.

I notice something funny... no matter how hard I think I hit the rack, if I accidentally
put rocket draw on it, the rack's reaction seems really "dead", the ball spread sucks.
Anyone else notice that?

It's like 20 mph with draw spreads WAY worse than 20 mph with center.
That's probably just physics 101 but I can't get my head around it.
 
Black-Balled said:
No, the hop n flop is not happening. Your contact point on the cb has to be to blame
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RBC said:
If the cue ball travels forward as though it has top spin, it's because it was hit above center.
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Andrew Manning said:
Spin doesn't "flip over", which is why gyroscopic stabilizers are a thing.
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CreeDo said:
Haha sorry man, you're just hitting low. User error.
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(methinks CreeDo misread your post slightly, but the sentiment is still valid)

Which are all just different ways of saying what Jerry B. always says, "Whitey never lies."

- s.west
 
CreeDo said:
I notice something funny... no matter how hard I think I hit the rack, if I accidentally
put rocket draw on it, the rack's reaction seems really "dead", the ball spread sucks.
Anyone else notice that?

It's like 20 mph with draw spreads WAY worse than 20 mph with center.
That's probably just physics 101 but I can't get my head around it.
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The stroke that produces a 20 mph break with center is only producing a 15 mph break with rocket draw. Hitting the CB off center means considerably less of the cue's energy is transferred to the ball. So it's going slower than you think.

-Andrew
 
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