Question about Cue Balls

CocoboloCowboy

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Was talking to my best friend today who must carry about 3, or 4 cue Bals in his Case. He has a Measel Ball, One with a "SS" Sign on it, another with a Red Dot, and one that is just all White. He say they are all different, and all play different. True, or False?

Educate me please.
 
I don't know about the exact characteristics of each of those balls but your friend is correct, they do play differently. One may be heavier than the others, one may have a slicker surface etc... With that said, unless he carries the sets of balls to match the cueball I see no reason for lugging them around. Unless he plays at a place where they use cue balls that aren't matched to the sets on the tables. Although, I've heard that a lot of coin tables have cue balls that are bigger and/or heavier than the object balls. If he plays on those types of tables, yeah, you may want to have a spare cueball to make up for that......you don't want to scratch with it though. hehe!!
MULLY
have no experience on coin tables
 
Bar Tables

I know that newer bar tables use magnets to attract the cue ball into a different tunnel, so the cue ball apparently has some kind of metal interior. These cue balls replaced the old, larger balls that also rolled to a different tunnel.

Once you introduce magnets and magnetized balls into a pool table, the possibilities are mind boggling! Anyone interested in a game at my place?
 
Another question that I have wondered about: What is the difference between a red circle aramith cue ball that comes with the aramith super pro's and the blue circle cue ball that comes with the brunswick centennials? Anyone have any info?
 
The thread referenced above is very informative, but only discusses bar box cueballs.

The balls your friend is carrying around are probably not any of the ones mentioned. As has been discussed here numerous times, non bar box cueballs are all supposed to be the same size and weight, but can vary quite a bit due to wear over time.

Cheaper cueballs are made from a variety of materials, which all play differently from each other.

Cueballs made from phenolic resin (red circle, blue circle, measles, etc.) are generally regarded to be the best, and they all play differently even when they are the same size and weight. The playing differences between them is a function of varying elasticities of the particular resins used.
 
desert1pocket said:
Cueballs made from phenolic resin (red circle, blue circle, measles, etc.) are generally regarded to be the best, and they all play differently even when they are the same size and weight. The playing differences between them is a function of varying elasticities of the particular resins used.


But as far as the factory specs go, they are supposedly identical?
 
ajohnson13 said:
Another question that I have wondered about: What is the difference between a red circle aramith cue ball that comes with the aramith super pro's and the blue circle cue ball that comes with the brunswick centennials? Anyone have any info?

The blue circle is made from the same phenolic resin as the object balls, while the red circle is made from a phenolic resin similar to that used for billiard balls. The red circle has a higher elasticity than the blue.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Was talking to my best friend today who must carry about 3, or 4 cue Bals in his Case. He has a Measel Ball, One with a "SS" Sign on it, another with a Red Dot, and one that is just all White. He say they are all different, and all play different. True, or False?

Educate me please.

Unless the Cue Balls are made by Aramith they are junk. Only Aramith balls are made to exacting standards. Today there has been a large influx of balls from China and other Asian countries, these balls will ruin your cloth in a very short time.

Only Aramith balls have a exterior layer that reduces friction on your cloth from striking the Cue Ball. For instance have you ever seen a tables with little White spots allover newer cloth that will not brush out. These are friction marks, and they are actually burns in the cloths surface. When the Cue Ball is struck hard and especially during breaking a great deal of heat is generated at the cloths surface. This is why you will see the White lines running from the Kitchen to the rack area on both sides of the table.

In addition many cues balls have a different weight, in most cases this is only a gram or two. However, on a good table this will effect the length of the roll, and for people with a weaker stroke it can effect the action on the Cue Ball. This is why many people prefer the Tournament Red Circle Cue Ball. This ball is lighter than most others, and this is what lower level players like about it and why it is the preferred ball used in League play. The Measle Ball is heaver than most, and this in my opinion makes it a better practice ball than a light ball. This will help you to develop a good sound stroke, and it will give you the ability to see if you are putting spin on the ball when not trying to. However, the same effect can be achieved for a lot less money by using a Striped Ball as your Cue Ball.

To close, I would not use anything but Arimath Cue Balls like I said above. I also prefer the Brunswick Centennial Ball set and the Blue Circle Cue Ball that Aramith makes for Brunswick, in my opinion these are the best Balls on the Market for consistent play, for over all wear, and for consistent weight.

Have a good night!!!!!!!!!
 
Manwon, I have a set of Super Aramith Pro balls and a set of Super Aramith Pro TV balls. Do I understand correctly, that the measles ball in the TV set weighs more than the standard CB packaged with the standard SAP balls?

I have a digital gram scale for measuring A/C refrigerant weight. I'm gonna have to break it out and start measuring.

Is there any definitive chart that shows exact grams, hardness and specific overall characteristics of the popular CBs that anyone knows of ?
 
I have checked the weight on 4 different balls

The cheaper white with no markings 6.0oz

Aramith with the green Aramith mark 5.9oz

Measel Ball 5.9oz

Red circle was the lightest at 5.7 or 5.8oz
 
wolfgang said:
I have checked the weight on 4 different balls

The cheaper white with no markings 6.0oz

Aramith with the green Aramith mark 5.9oz

Measel Ball 5.9oz

Red circle was the lightest at 5.7 or 5.8oz

There was a similar thread over at BD a while ago and it was clear that there are variances in the gram weight even among CBs of identical brand and version. Not much but some.

In addition, as balls age they become somewhat lighter do to erosion of the material with use.

Cornerman is extremely knowledgable about all this and hopefully will chime in here.

Regards,
Jim
 
3andstop said:
Manwon, I have a set of Super Aramith Pro balls and a set of Super Aramith Pro TV balls. Do I understand correctly, that the measles ball in the TV set weighs more than the standard CB packaged with the standard SAP balls?

I have a digital gram scale for measuring A/C refrigerant weight. I'm gonna have to break it out and start measuring.

Is there any definitive chart that shows exact grams, hardness and specific overall characteristics of the popular CBs that anyone knows of ?

By the digital scale I use to weigh cues these balls are different weights. To date when ever I have checked this has been consistent.
 
I would love to experiment with cue balls that had entirely different weight distribution. One ball would have a steel core, the other would have an empty core, but both balls would weigh the same. How would they behave, and are such cue balls available?
 
manwon said:
Unless the Cue Balls are made by Aramith they are junk. Only Aramith balls are made to exacting standards. Today there has been a large influx of balls from China and other Asian countries, these balls will ruin your cloth in a very short time.

Only Aramith balls have a exterior layer that reduces friction on your cloth from striking the Cue Ball. For instance have you ever seen a tables with little White spots allover newer cloth that will not brush out. These are friction marks, and they are actually burns in the cloths surface. When the Cue Ball is struck hard and especially during breaking a great deal of heat is generated at the cloths surface. This is why you will see the White lines running from the Kitchen to the rack area on both sides of the table.

In addition many cues balls have a different weight, in most cases this is only a gram or two. However, on a good table this will effect the length of the roll, and for people with a weaker stroke it can effect the action on the Cue Ball. This is why many people prefer the Tournament Red Circle Cue Ball. This ball is lighter than most others, and this is what lower level players like about it and why it is the preferred ball used in League play. The Measle Ball is heaver than most, and this in my opinion makes it a better practice ball than a light ball. This will help you to develop a good sound stroke, and it will give you the ability to see if you are putting spin on the ball when not trying to. However, the same effect can be achieved for a lot less money by using a Striped Ball as your Cue Ball.

To close, I would not use anything but Arimath Cue Balls like I said above. I also prefer the Brunswick Centennial Ball set and the Blue Circle Cue Ball that Aramith makes for Brunswick, in my opinion these are the best Balls on the Market for consistent play, for over all wear, and for consistent weight.

Have a good night!!!!!!!!!

I have weighed numerous brand new red circle and blue circle cueballs, and while there were slight variances, the average weights were the same. Unless a ball is very very worn, any weight difference is hard to notice during play. A difference in materials however is very very noticeable.

Because the red circle is more elastic, it is easier to draw, and harder to follow than the blue, giving it the illusion of being lighter. Even a well worn and significantly lighter blue circle will give the illusion of being heavier than a brand new red circle.

If you want to test the elasticity of your cueballs, drop them multiple times from a set height onto a very smooth concrete floor, and see how high the average bounce is for each one. You should see that the red circle will bounce significantly higher than the blue regardless of their weights.
 
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