I'm not sowing anything, I am only helping others play better pool. I am not out to create some legacy for myself like you have told me you are doing in a pm. You do what you want, Rick. You are right, you do reap what you sow. You like sowing discontent and discord on here. I have many privately asking for help from me because they don't want to have to deal with you and a few others on here. I'm not the one making pros my idol and thinking that whatever one says has to be the gospel. I think things through, and then just state them. Again, sorry you aren't able to handle the truth on here from me and others, but always have to be in discord with no facts to back you up. You just like to twist others words to try and make a name for yourself. Sad that you have to resort to something so low.
Question about intentional swerve
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I'm not sowing anything, I am only helping others play better pool. I am not out to create some legacy for myself like you have told me you are doing in a pm. You do what you want, Rick. You are right, you do reap what you sow. You like sowing discontent and discord on here. I have many privately asking for help from me because they don't want to have to deal with you and a few others on here. I'm not the one making pros my idol and thinking that whatever one says has to be the gospel. I think things through, and then just state them. Again, sorry you aren't able to handle the truth on here from me and others, but always have to be in discord with no facts to back you up. You just like to twist others words to try and make a name for yourself. Sad that you have to resort to something so low.
Now you're flat out not telling the truth. I've NEVER said anything about trying to create any legacy for myself.
I was talking about your legacy here. The 'old' you vs. the 'new' you & the fact that you basically wiped out the old you when you deleted ALL of your old posts & perhaps you should give your legacy here some thought.
I was sincerely trying to help YOU.
Maybe that is really your one & only true problem here.
Your reading comprehension at times goes totally Ga Ga.
Is there a reason for that?
May God Bless & Help You, Neil.
I'd have to agree with your last presumption. In the last link I posted of Efren, there is a lot of initial movement of the cue ball before it gains natural roll.
I'm no Efren, but in my experimenting I've learned to achieve tighter position corridors due to the lessened cue ball deflection from the initial contact. Bringing my cue tip up ever so slightly is a much more solid hit than prepositioning it at a location above center and losing contact as I stroke off the top of the cue ball.
I realize I'm striking off of the top of the cue ball either way, but I definitely feel more resistance and weight from the cue ball starting lower with my initial address.
Best,
Mike
Mike,
When I started an in house league with Centennial Balls but they had switched out the cue ball to the red circle cue ball, I was having control issues when I wanted to follow down table. I had not consistently played with the red circle before. Fran Crimi advised me to not to try to spin the ball down table but to hit it more fully. She was correct as she so often is. The red circle ball is lighter & bouncier.
I know this is not exactly the topic but I think it's similar in that I started hitting the cue ball lower & with a bit more drive while still putting some spin on it as I let the cue leave my bridge hand.
Best,
Rick
The "old me" got sick and tired of dealing with you and those like you. You don't want the truth and help, I erased what I gave. Many lost out because of your trolling, Rick. that's your legacy on here. Enjoy it. And, please do the other thing the mods told you to do, and that is to ignore me.
I think you have me confused with someone else. I did not arrive on AZB until after you erased your old posts.
You're in my prayers, Neil.
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Neil,
I'd welcome a discussion from you and enjoy your help, but not when you disagree with everything presented without really discussing it first. I don't want any pointers on the game. I ran my first hundred in straights almost 30 years ago. I want to hear about what else is out there.
I've played against hundreds of top players/pros and been on the road with many others. They're people, just like you and me. Forget the nut hugger phobia already.
What I'd like, is to shift a gear and look at what the Pinoys do, for example, without saying it's reheated such and such and couldn't possibly help anyone. If you aren't interested, so be it. But don't stymie the discussion with, I told you so. That's no fun for you or me. Short and sweet!
Best,
Mike
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I agree. That really would be nice, wouldn't it?
Best 2 Ya,
Rick
PS Did you see my post about Fran's suggestion on how I should get control of follow for the red circle cue ball or did you miss it?
Rick,
Can you please diagram up or explain an example shot where you feel a swoop is the right play? I think that would be very helpful with people's understanding. If we can find a shot where swooping seems to provide an advantage, and if we can test whether or not there actually is a true advantage, then we might be able to explain why swooping is a recommended or necessary practice in certain situations.
Thank you,
Dave
Very advanced shot
This type of shot, Efren is very adept at, and one I've recently worked on (it's especially more doable in HUMID climates and dirty object balls, buts Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more difficult to do with new/clean balls, because of the lack of the gearing transfer.
Here's your situation, shooting the one ball, and getting shape on the two ball, both balls are on the same long rail.
If I'm cutting a ball (1/2'' off the rail) down the long rail, say five diamonds from the pocket, and my angle doesn't allow me to easily pound the cue ball over and back....it also doesn't give me the proper angle to roll it in and shoot my next ball, that's on the same rail, into the other corner pocket, because my cue ball will end up almost mid table, what to do.
I use low right and elevate as needed, and swerve/squirt push/spin the cue ball to the left, and then (before it strikes the obj. ball) it comes back to the right as it finishes grabbing with its spin, it then masse's towards the obj. ball and....hits the object ball coming from the left to the right.... with the masse' effect, and perfect swing timing to hit the object ball nearly dead center, which then because of the extreme spin, gear cuts the object ball down rail, and whitey is Not in the center of table. Sometimes this type of shot can be a free shot, even if you hang it because of your table layout.
This type of shot, Efren is very adept at, and one I've recently worked on (it's especially more doable in HUMID climates and dirty object balls, buts Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more difficult to do with new/clean balls, because of the lack of the gearing transfer.
Here's your situation, shooting the one ball, and getting shape on the two ball, both balls are on the same long rail.
If I'm cutting a ball (1/2'' off the rail) down the long rail, say five diamonds from the pocket, and my angle doesn't allow me to easily pound the cue ball over and back....it also doesn't give me the proper angle to roll it in and shoot my next ball, that's on the same rail, into the other corner pocket, because my cue ball will end up almost mid table, what to do.
I use low right and elevate as needed, and swerve/squirt push/spin the cue ball to the left, and then (before it strikes the obj. ball) it comes back to the right as it finishes grabbing with its spin, it then masse's towards the obj. ball and....hits the object ball coming from the left to the right.... with the masse' effect, and perfect swing timing to hit the object ball nearly dead center, which then because of the extreme spin, gear cuts the object ball down rail, and whitey is Not in the center of table. Sometimes this type of shot can be a free shot, even if you hang it because of your table layout.
Neil,
I'd welcome a discussion from you and enjoy your help, but not when you disagree with everything presented without really discussing it first. I don't want any pointers on the game. I ran my first hundred in straights almost 30 years ago. I want to hear about what else is out there.
I've played against hundreds of top players/pros and been on the road with many others. They're people, just like you and me. Forget the nut hugger phobia already.
What I'd like, is to shift a gear and look at what the Pinoys do, for example, without saying it's reheated such and such and couldn't possibly help anyone. If you aren't interested, so be it. But don't stymie the discussion with, I told you so. That's no fun for you or me. Short and sweet!
Best,
Mike
What's there to discuss? There was a claim made, I only showed that it couldn't happen. You and Rick then decided to jump me, not discuss. If you don't like the tone of the way things went, look at yourselves. You set it. Like you said, you aren't looking for what really works, you are just looking for what magic you think the pros have. Good luck with that.
This crap is exactly why I stopped posting, and I was stupid to start again.
Just to be clear. We are talking about the "S" word in the horizontal direction, right?
I'm heading out today to take my wife to see our Grandson & possibly to a Mardi Gras stand tomorrow as we've got a bit of cabin fever from laying so low since her knee replacement.
But I'll think of one, soon.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
PS Mikjary Mike or Colin might be a good source too as I think they may have played more of them than I have. Like I said, I don't practice them but I just do it when a shot comes up & feel it would be the way to go.
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Ron Swanson
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There's only one solution to this one; a scientist must develop the skills to become a pro level player.
Hurry up, Patrick!
That's right ... sidespin swoop. Although, specific examples of other types of swoop shots would also be useful for understanding and testing.
I would certainly welcome specific examples from anyone.
Regards,
Dave
Hmmmmm. What to do with this?
What works one way on one table may or may not work the same way on another table or even the same table but different weather conditions. It got real humid recently and changed how the tables play. This is when I realized why 3 cushion tables are heated, to keep how the table plays consistent.
I also play on a variety of tables in various degrees of condition. Not one plays the same.
This is why a it is stated over and over again to avoid these things being discussed or rather be very selective when using this stuff.
Remember the real point in pool is consistency on any table at any time, the simpler you make it, the better your consistency.
I also play on a variety of tables in various degrees of condition. Not one plays the same.
This is why a it is stated over and over again to avoid these things being discussed or rather be very selective when using this stuff.
Remember the real point in pool is consistency on any table at any time, the simpler you make it, the better your consistency.
I am a pro level player........