Thank Scott Lee for the first insult calling me a NIT. I lost all respect I had for Scott with his NIT REMARK.
BTW I am done looking at this thread.
BTW I am done looking at this thread.
Question for all the Instructor on AZB
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Sorry Bruce, but if the shoe fits...
Like several other instructors have pointed out, this thread serves no purpose whatsoever, and casts negative aspersions on the OP (and probably me too). BTW, am I the first one to call you a nit here? I think MANY other AzBr's already beat me to it, over the years, through your different AzB incarnations.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Like several other instructors have pointed out, this thread serves no purpose whatsoever, and casts negative aspersions on the OP (and probably me too). BTW, am I the first one to call you a nit here? I think MANY other AzBr's already beat me to it, over the years, through your different AzB incarnations.Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I have a feeling you will be back next year asking the same question again (as you did before).
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This isn't really a fair question, in fact it's rather leading. An instructors greatest accomplishment would probably be more along the lines of helping a life long D player achieve C or even B status. Or the amount of players they were able to expose to the pool bug, as it were.
First of all, no one instructor can take credit for his students accomplishments. Teachers provide the information, it's up to the student to run with it. We may develop lessons and routines specifically designed for a student to succeed with, but it's entirely up to the student to succeed. If I have brilliant student in my history class and he or she achieves an A+, who's accomplishment is it? Sure I may have provided some stimulating lessons and broke things down in a manner that they could work with, but an A student is an A student no matter what teacher they work with. Similarily, most Pros, Open players or Shortstops were going to get there no matter who taught them. It's because they had the drive and will to succeed.
If I may return to my high school analogy, I feel far more of an accomplishment if I help a failing student achieve a passing grade/B in my course. But it is still their accomplishment, not mine.
Very few pool pros hire coaches, so it's not the same as someone like Butch Harmon or Hank Haney who have been hired by top pros to be their coach. I'm sure it'd be pretty gratifying if Mika, for example, hired me, to work with him for a day. But if I started bragging afterwards and taking credit for his success, how do you think it'd reflect on me? And how many more pros would choose to approach me?
FWIW, if Scott is doing a free clinic, the average player probably has difficulty with the very basics. So it's not unreasonable to spend time discussing the stop shot as many players probably have difficulty executing it a long distances.
First of all, no one instructor can take credit for his students accomplishments. Teachers provide the information, it's up to the student to run with it. We may develop lessons and routines specifically designed for a student to succeed with, but it's entirely up to the student to succeed. If I have brilliant student in my history class and he or she achieves an A+, who's accomplishment is it? Sure I may have provided some stimulating lessons and broke things down in a manner that they could work with, but an A student is an A student no matter what teacher they work with. Similarily, most Pros, Open players or Shortstops were going to get there no matter who taught them. It's because they had the drive and will to succeed.
If I may return to my high school analogy, I feel far more of an accomplishment if I help a failing student achieve a passing grade/B in my course. But it is still their accomplishment, not mine.
Very few pool pros hire coaches, so it's not the same as someone like Butch Harmon or Hank Haney who have been hired by top pros to be their coach. I'm sure it'd be pretty gratifying if Mika, for example, hired me, to work with him for a day. But if I started bragging afterwards and taking credit for his success, how do you think it'd reflect on me? And how many more pros would choose to approach me?
FWIW, if Scott is doing a free clinic, the average player probably has difficulty with the very basics. So it's not unreasonable to spend time discussing the stop shot as many players probably have difficulty executing it a long distances.
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Coco-
Why would you make a post like that?? Wassa matta witchu?
I've been to the same free lesson area at the Riv. I learned quite a bit from Scott.
I think you're brain-locked. Meaning, your ego won't let you progress.
If you've been playing pool seriously for decades and you're still a C player, my only advice is to carefully consider what you've been doing for the last couple years pool-wise and wake up tomorrow and try the exact opposite.
I know you rub some guys on here the wrong way and vice versa --- but at least once--- let the ego go and really try to learn from one of these top instructors. If they sucked as you say, they wouldn't last too long on here. However, they do.... because they don't. So, your perception is skewed. Unskew it and ye shall progress.
Dave
Why would you make a post like that?? Wassa matta witchu?
I've been to the same free lesson area at the Riv. I learned quite a bit from Scott.
I think you're brain-locked. Meaning, your ego won't let you progress.
If you've been playing pool seriously for decades and you're still a C player, my only advice is to carefully consider what you've been doing for the last couple years pool-wise and wake up tomorrow and try the exact opposite.
I know you rub some guys on here the wrong way and vice versa --- but at least once--- let the ego go and really try to learn from one of these top instructors. If they sucked as you say, they wouldn't last too long on here. However, they do.... because they don't. So, your perception is skewed. Unskew it and ye shall progress.
Dave
hmmm
OK Bruce, I'll bite....
I use to teach at CUE-U a few years back. A BCA certified pool school in Rockford, IL. Each class had 5 or 6 students with just as many instructors and once we got that guy that just would not buy into anything.
And then we would hear, "I read all the books", "the pro's don't do that", I"ve been playing for 25 years", blah, blah, blah. Then he would challenge you on anything you demonstrated...... Within a few hours I told the guy to chill. I told him he flew across the country, paid hundreds of dollars to attend, and he does NOT want any instruction?? wtf. I told him he was a stubborn jackass, and why not give us a chance to work with him.
Just listen, and try something new. Yes, it will feel a little different, yes, it will need to do some things differently, yes, you will get better. This guy had a "hitch" that was ridiculous, and even when we told him he denied it.
Well, we "secretly" video taped him on a back table when he was shooting some drills so we could show him later. And low and behold, the guy that told everyone he did not turn his shoulder, or move his head, or jerk his cue, was right there on the big screen. I freeze framed every movement on him and would look over at him and say, "that's you right?"
Well, low and behold when he finally put his personal "bias" away, he actually did learn a lot. He was making shots that he said he had big problems with, and by the end of the weekend, he was as happy as a clam, and personally thanked all 6 instructors.
I"m sure he won't win the US Open anytime soon, but he is playing much better, and that is the entire point. Everyone learns at different speeds, through varioius means. If something works, that's great. But a hands on approach has got to be a big advantage over just watching videos. Now utilizing both, well, that is probably the best option. And folks that need no help at all because they have natural skills, good for them too. Not every poolplayer needs instruction.
So it should not matter whom you teach, but how you teach. And that they learn something from the instruction. I'm pretty sure many if not most of the top pro's have some gifts that others just don't have and will never have.
Not exactly sure why every sport in the world can have instructors but it seems taboo for pool? My son took baseball pitching instruction, he currently takes Karate instruction 3 times per week, he took some serious tennis instruction in Amelia Island, FL. It's a lot of fun to compete, but it is a little more "fun" winning.
OK Bruce, I'll bite....
I use to teach at CUE-U a few years back. A BCA certified pool school in Rockford, IL. Each class had 5 or 6 students with just as many instructors and once we got that guy that just would not buy into anything.
And then we would hear, "I read all the books", "the pro's don't do that", I"ve been playing for 25 years", blah, blah, blah. Then he would challenge you on anything you demonstrated...... Within a few hours I told the guy to chill. I told him he flew across the country, paid hundreds of dollars to attend, and he does NOT want any instruction?? wtf. I told him he was a stubborn jackass, and why not give us a chance to work with him.
Just listen, and try something new. Yes, it will feel a little different, yes, it will need to do some things differently, yes, you will get better. This guy had a "hitch" that was ridiculous, and even when we told him he denied it.
Well, we "secretly" video taped him on a back table when he was shooting some drills so we could show him later. And low and behold, the guy that told everyone he did not turn his shoulder, or move his head, or jerk his cue, was right there on the big screen. I freeze framed every movement on him and would look over at him and say, "that's you right?"
Well, low and behold when he finally put his personal "bias" away, he actually did learn a lot. He was making shots that he said he had big problems with, and by the end of the weekend, he was as happy as a clam, and personally thanked all 6 instructors.
I"m sure he won't win the US Open anytime soon, but he is playing much better, and that is the entire point. Everyone learns at different speeds, through varioius means. If something works, that's great. But a hands on approach has got to be a big advantage over just watching videos. Now utilizing both, well, that is probably the best option. And folks that need no help at all because they have natural skills, good for them too. Not every poolplayer needs instruction.
So it should not matter whom you teach, but how you teach. And that they learn something from the instruction. I'm pretty sure many if not most of the top pro's have some gifts that others just don't have and will never have.
Not exactly sure why every sport in the world can have instructors but it seems taboo for pool? My son took baseball pitching instruction, he currently takes Karate instruction 3 times per week, he took some serious tennis instruction in Amelia Island, FL. It's a lot of fun to compete, but it is a little more "fun" winning.
Secaucus Fats
Banned
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Makin differences between students..........
Hi there,
first a nicley „Hello“ to all guys here, who loves to give their knowledge away-no matter if it s a professional instructor or a „semi-pro“
) – or just those guys who feels just the same passion to share their over decades earned and received knowledges/secrets for nothing.
Each has my greatest respect! Hats off to all of you!
Right to the beginning: I m not bored, lol. And I cannot really understand why CoCo opened a thread like that. I give a shit on the players level/skill. One thing I learnt from my father and from a very good friend, too, is that you should try to give EACH person the same respect –no matter how good he is doing something. What is just necessary is, that this person spends the same enthusiasm and love in the thing he does/learn. So why I should make a difference between a great talent who wins later perhaps some tournaments or the other guy who is able to just enjoy for executing a simple draw-shot the way he planned it. To see how the absolute beginner makes “his first draw shot” or just a really straight tough stroke satisfies the same way, like I would enjoy if a student runs his first 100 in straight pool!
Your question means nothing to me. I m much more satisfied to have students who are enjoying the practice-time. NO matter about their level.
I am no pro-instructor- and still giving lessons just in my rare free-time. And it is still satisfying me. Especially if ppl contact me, after they were informed by another guy I worked with. That are moments that I really enjoy.
Making differences between talented students and *not so* talented guys is in my opinion a totally wrong way.
And my 100 % opinion is anyway: Talent is totally overrated !!! (right, Scott ? )
Lg from overseas,
Ingo
Hi there,
first a nicley „Hello“ to all guys here, who loves to give their knowledge away-no matter if it s a professional instructor or a „semi-pro“
) – or just those guys who feels just the same passion to share their over decades earned and received knowledges/secrets for nothing. Each has my greatest respect! Hats off to all of you!
Right to the beginning: I m not bored, lol. And I cannot really understand why CoCo opened a thread like that. I give a shit on the players level/skill. One thing I learnt from my father and from a very good friend, too, is that you should try to give EACH person the same respect –no matter how good he is doing something. What is just necessary is, that this person spends the same enthusiasm and love in the thing he does/learn. So why I should make a difference between a great talent who wins later perhaps some tournaments or the other guy who is able to just enjoy for executing a simple draw-shot the way he planned it. To see how the absolute beginner makes “his first draw shot” or just a really straight tough stroke satisfies the same way, like I would enjoy if a student runs his first 100 in straight pool!
Your question means nothing to me. I m much more satisfied to have students who are enjoying the practice-time. NO matter about their level.
I am no pro-instructor- and still giving lessons just in my rare free-time. And it is still satisfying me. Especially if ppl contact me, after they were informed by another guy I worked with. That are moments that I really enjoy.
Making differences between talented students and *not so* talented guys is in my opinion a totally wrong way.
And my 100 % opinion is anyway: Talent is totally overrated !!! (right, Scott ? )
Lg from overseas,
Ingo