Question for those who stream events live
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Yes !
And sometime it can be a pain, How ever you do have to honor their wishes, Unless you make it known before hand that all matches on your streaming table will be streamed. I usually have players sign a waiver to this effect.
H.P.
Yes !
And sometime it can be a pain, How ever you do have to honor their wishes, Unless you make it known before hand that all matches on your streaming table will be streamed. I usually have players sign a waiver to this effect.
H.P.
That's interesting. I had a feeling it has probably happened before. I remember a story a couple years ago of a road player winning a tournament and not wanting his picture taken afterwards.
I have heard of many reasons not to be on the stream - not just b/c they want to remain unknown.
Here are a few others:
That table sucks.
That table is different from the others.
I don't want to lose to that person on the stream.
I would be too nervous on the stream.
etc....
Here are a few others:
That table sucks.
That table is different from the others.
I don't want to lose to that person on the stream.
I would be too nervous on the stream.
etc....
The camera makes me look fat
Can't play with people watching
ohhhh did you mean other people! :shocked:
"I don't want my speed known". Then why play tournaments at all. Everyone will agree that short races are NOT an accurate measure. I have seen people GET more action from playing on stream than not.
I have streamed nearly 600 pool matches and have only had ONE player forfeit his match rather than play. He would've lost anyway. :shocked:
Ray
Can't play with people watching
ohhhh did you mean other people! :shocked:
"I don't want my speed known". Then why play tournaments at all. Everyone will agree that short races are NOT an accurate measure. I have seen people GET more action from playing on stream than not.
I have streamed nearly 600 pool matches and have only had ONE player forfeit his match rather than play. He would've lost anyway. :shocked:
Ray
The camera makes me look fat. Hadn't thought of that one.
There are probably a small percentage of people who don't want to be on a live stream because they don't want past "difficulties" catching up with them.
When we were doing smaller events I had a couple say they didnt want to be streamed and just went with it. Not worth the hassles.
Now that we mostly do stuff like the USBTC or US Open 10 Ball the streaming is a part of the event itself. It is a way for the promoter to get added value for the added money being put into the event. So if you are in the event you play on the table assigned. If you choose not to play on the assigned table its a forfeit.
There is an issue with DVD sales of taped tournament matches and in the past we usually will give the guys DVD's of their taped match and they can sell or do what they want with them. If anyone doesnt want that deal or has a problem with a dvd being made we just dont fool with it. There isnt enough money in it to make it worth the trouble. But if dvd's are made and sold the players deserve some form of compensation unless they sign away the rights to any compensation.
As streaming moves forward and more and more people do it there will be issues with this and it will probably get messy.
I have heard of one possible players organization in the works and I would think media rights would be something they would look hard at. Just as the WPBA has done. Hopefully when the time comes common sense wins out otherwise most streamers will just not fool with it any more.
Now that we mostly do stuff like the USBTC or US Open 10 Ball the streaming is a part of the event itself. It is a way for the promoter to get added value for the added money being put into the event. So if you are in the event you play on the table assigned. If you choose not to play on the assigned table its a forfeit.
There is an issue with DVD sales of taped tournament matches and in the past we usually will give the guys DVD's of their taped match and they can sell or do what they want with them. If anyone doesnt want that deal or has a problem with a dvd being made we just dont fool with it. There isnt enough money in it to make it worth the trouble. But if dvd's are made and sold the players deserve some form of compensation unless they sign away the rights to any compensation.
As streaming moves forward and more and more people do it there will be issues with this and it will probably get messy.
I have heard of one possible players organization in the works and I would think media rights would be something they would look hard at. Just as the WPBA has done. Hopefully when the time comes common sense wins out otherwise most streamers will just not fool with it any more.
interesting
I know that some folks are shyer about being streamed than others. Speaking for myself I have been on the news a few times. They always managed to tape when I was bent over facing the other way hooking up chains to a wreck. Never caught what I would at least allege is my better side and never caught the name of my business or they edited it out. My ex told me that the camera made my ass look huge. I thought it was more to do with the beer and cajun cooking but I didn't argue with her.
Bottom line, unless the folks doing the video are putting cash into the event I don't think anyone should have a gun held to their head and be told that they have to be streamed or forfeit. Any tourney with this policy should be sure this is known before people pay entry fees also. Not a big deal but I get paid to perform or to wear somebody's advertisement. If I'm not getting paid it should be my choice if I do something or not.
I very much enjoy and support streaming. If it becomes commonplace for people to be forced to be on streaming tables or forfeit I will regretfully rethink my position. I have never had a small tournament turn down a request to play on a different table if I had cause to not play on one. The lights and distractions of the TV table are enough reason if someone chooses not to play on it in my opinion.
Hu
I know that some folks are shyer about being streamed than others. Speaking for myself I have been on the news a few times. They always managed to tape when I was bent over facing the other way hooking up chains to a wreck. Never caught what I would at least allege is my better side and never caught the name of my business or they edited it out. My ex told me that the camera made my ass look huge. I thought it was more to do with the beer and cajun cooking but I didn't argue with her.
Bottom line, unless the folks doing the video are putting cash into the event I don't think anyone should have a gun held to their head and be told that they have to be streamed or forfeit. Any tourney with this policy should be sure this is known before people pay entry fees also. Not a big deal but I get paid to perform or to wear somebody's advertisement. If I'm not getting paid it should be my choice if I do something or not.
I very much enjoy and support streaming. If it becomes commonplace for people to be forced to be on streaming tables or forfeit I will regretfully rethink my position. I have never had a small tournament turn down a request to play on a different table if I had cause to not play on one. The lights and distractions of the TV table are enough reason if someone chooses not to play on it in my opinion.
Hu
It seems to me that streaming helps the event, gets more people watching and is good advertisement for the host pool room. Probably draws more players to the event as well. I can't think of a major sport where the players refuse to be on tv or a live stream.
A boilerplate form for the players to sign when they enter the event agreeing to play on the stream might be the way to go. The men shot themselves in the foot with ESPN years ago, hopefully common sense will prevail this time.