Question for you Schon guys

jed1894

jed1894

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Background:

I have been playing with a Joss lately with a Triangle tip. I like the way it plays and feels. I have also been playing with a Shurtz with a Moori medium and also like the way it feels and plays. So, I thought I'd try a Schon since I heard they play similiar to a Joss (that ain't true).

I just got the Schon today (thanks to ChrisOnline) and what a difference. The Schon came with the factory tip (hard as hell) and it plays like a LePro to me. Nothing about the cue is similiar to my Joss, which is not bad because I like different things. There is no playablility issues....the cue works just as good as the Joss and Shurtz. But, it hits HARD.

Question:

Has anyone experimented with a softer tip...say a Triangle (my favorite)? I'm not too excited about the hard hit this cue has so I'm looking for adjustments that some others may have tried or experimented with and found that the factory setup was better. Any thoughts on this, or is just the way a Schon plays?

By-the-way, what's up with this tip? What's the makeup?

JED



Does everyone pretty much keep the same tip on the Schon or
 
One more thing...

I don't seem to be able to get as much action on the CB compare to the Joss (Triangle) and Shurtz (Moori), but does this tip require some break-in time?

JED
 
If you put similar tips on both cues, they will hit almost the same. The tip on the Schon is a water buffalo tip with a black fibre back. They play firm, but a lot of players like hard tips. I like Triangles once they are broken in. There is NO break-in time with the Schon. A harder tip will reveal how good your stroke is. Some players need that extra grab from the softer tips to spin the ball.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
If you put similar tips on both cues, they will hit almost the same. The tip on the Schon is a water buffalo tip with a black fibre back. They play firm, but a lot of players like hard tips. I like Triangles once they are broken in. There is NO break-in time with the Schon. A harder tip will reveal how good your stroke is. Some players need that extra grab from the softer tips to spin the ball.
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Agreed, I have 2 joss's and 1 schon. Other then the weight differences between them, they feel exactly the same with the same tips on them. Hell, the pins should be the same, screw your joss shaft on the new schon and you probably won't be able to tell then difference :).
 
I use a triangle on my Schon. I tried a few tips and I like the triangle the best of the ones I tried. I can't compare it to a Joss or Shurtz because I haven't used one.

I played a guy in a tournament who claimed he used to own my Schon and traded it to the place I bought it from for his Joss. It felt kind of good to send him to the losers bracket with his former cue although he had the last laugh when he came back to win the tournament.
 
the stock schon tip is very hard, at least the new ones I've had were. I like hard tips, but found these to be too hard for me. I usually switched them out for a triangle, or le pro. Lately been using sumo's and superpro's. I think schon and joss play pretty similar, at least the older cues do. I have often switched my schon shaft for a older joss shaft I have and didn't really see much difference. Would say I like the schons more for some reason, though I've never been able to put my finger on it. May be the balance is slightly different. Do find that schon shafts tend to be a little better wood, at least the ones I've owned. Taper is real close to the same I believe.
 
It's very interesting that the vein of this discussion centers around hard leather tips, whereas other tip debates are mostly about layered tips like Moori and Kamui, Sniper and the like. I usually switch factory tips like Le Pros and Triangles to Talismans and Mooris, Snipers and Dynamites. Don't Schons play well with layered tips ? Inquiring minds want to know...Tom
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
If you put similar tips on both cues, they will hit almost the same. The tip on the Schon is a water buffalo tip with a black fibre back. They play firm, but a lot of players like hard tips. I like Triangles once they are broken in. There is NO break-in time with the Schon. A harder tip will reveal how good your stroke is. Some players need that extra grab from the softer tips to spin the ball.
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That's what I wanted to hear. I'm trying to get my playing cues pretty much the same. Glad to know that I can tone this thing down a little. I don't want to "reveal how good" my stroke is.....it ain't that good...LOL.

However, I would also like to hear some input (like the other poster said) on how they play with Talisman Medium (my other favorite) or other layered tips.

JEd
 
Just got a sniper put on my schon. Play good. Time will only tell though.
Ive been thinking about putting a kamui on but i just got the sniper a few weeks ago so im gonna give it time.
 
I use a Sniper and it's feels too damn good! I've used a ton of different cues, but I always grab my Schon R-15 when I need to play my top game.
 
I would HIGHLY recommend the Sniper for your Schon. I'm a recent convert from the Mori/Kamui area and I actually have a Mori Med. on one of the shafts for my main player. However, I find myself playing almost exclusively with the Sniper. tipped shaft. IT FEEL SOOOOOOOO GOOOD! no mushrooming and just plays really nice, not too soft... not too hard.
Goldie locks would be VERY happy indeed!
 
Have to agree ...

The first thing I do with my Schons is cut the Schon tip off and put on a Sniper or Kamui ... I'm still experimenting with both but both are much better tips ...
 
jed1894 said:
That's what I wanted to hear. I'm trying to get my playing cues pretty much the same. Glad to know that I can tone this thing down a little. I don't want to "reveal how good" my stroke is.....it ain't that good...LOL.

However, I would also like to hear some input (like the other poster said) on how they play with Talisman Medium (my other favorite) or other layered tips.

JEd
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I have a Schon Stl-21 and I agree that the standard tips are pretty hard, too hard for me. I use a Moori Slow tip on my cue and it feels good to me, but my assessment is based on using a predator shaft and not the regular Schon shaft. I can speak to how the Schon shafts play because I played with them off and on for years before I switched to predator shafts.

I also own a Paul Mottey cue with a SS joint like my Schon and I use a predator shaft with a Moori Slow tip on it also. The Mottey cue doesn't feel like the Schon even though they both have predator shafts with Moori tips on them. The 2 cues don't feel the same for one reason because the Schon has a thinner butt diameter and it's wrapless, but they both play well.

I couldn't play with the standard Schon tip on my cue. It's just too hard for me especially since I don't have a super stroke.

James
 
Thanks for the information.....anyone tried the Talisman or Everest (that's what I have on my OB1s)?

JED
 
jed1894 said:
Background:

I have been playing with a Joss lately with a Triangle tip. I like the way it plays and feels. I have also been playing with a Shurtz with a Moori medium and also like the way it feels and plays. So, I thought I'd try a Schon since I heard they play similiar to a Joss (that ain't true).
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What type is your Shurtz (describe/attach a photo of the logo)? What year is your Joss?

Joss changed construction techniques a few years ago. And Shurtz has two distinct types of cues. And believe it or not, the "advanced" Shurtz cue (not a good term, since all of Bob's cues are built to very high standards) is built similarly to the Joss: single core. Of course, you could have an older Joss and a non-single core Shurtz, so all of this could be just fluff.

The old Joss cues did in fact play like a Schon. That is to say that even though both were steel jointed, they played "softer" than what most people thought of for steel jointed cues.

And finally, nothing changes the hit of a cue quite like changing a tip and changing the taper. In fact, I'm of the belief that anyone can make their cue play "perfectly" (or horribly) with just a taper change.

Fred
 
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Cornerman said:
What type is your Shurtz (describe/attach a photo of the logo)? What year is your Joss?

Joss changed construction techniques a few years ago. And Shurtz has two distinct types of cues. And believe it or not, the "advanced" Shurtz cue (not a good term, since all of Bob's cues are built to very high standards) is built similarly to the Joss: single core. Of course, you could have an older Joss and a non-single core Shurtz, so all of this could be just fluff.

The old Joss cues did in fact play like a Schon. That is to say that even though both were steel jointed, they played "softer" than what most people thought of for steel jointed cues.

And finally, nothing changes the hit of a cue quite like changing a tip and changing the taper. In fact, I'm of the belief that anyone can make their cue play "perfectly" (or horribly) with just a taper change.

Fred
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The Shurtz is an 06 model with piloted 5/16 - 14 pin. I believe the "advanced" versions of the Shurtz is 3/8 - 10 pin. The Joss is a JOS71 also with piloted 5/16 -14 pin. I'm not sure when the Joss was built, but someone posted a while back that they thought it was an "03" model. I'm sure that means an 03 design but the cue had to be made after that. I bought it new. The cue can be seen on Pooldawg and Billiardwarehouse. Both shafts will interchange onto each butt. The balance point (might be a better name) for the Joss is 19 3/4 inches from the butt. The Shurtz is about 19 1/4 inches from the butt.

JED
 
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