question on finish

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anyone bother to figure out how thick your finish is when completed?
i'm sure it varies, but a guesstimate
is there such a thing as too thick?
 
I put on the finish only thick enough to fill the grain and allow me to get a baby's butt smooth, glass-like finish...too much dampens the feel of the cue IMO...
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stix4sale said:
anyone bother to figure out how thick your finish is when completed?
i'm sure it varies, but a guesstimate
is there such a thing as too thick?
I undercut my stainless joint collars by .006", then spray (& sand many coats) to make the finish flush. Yes, I believe the finish can be too thick. All you need is whatever it takes to protect the cue.
 
the reason i am looking for the ideal thickness is, to be able to get close, very close to an exact joint size for a guy that already has his own shafts, or to be able to use those shafts on this particular cue. say for example, his shafts, finished dimension is .840". then my unfinished joint after turning and sanding should be ?????? .820?? allowing .020 for finish.
 
stix4sale said:
the reason i am looking for the ideal thickness is, to be able to get close, very close to an exact joint size for a guy that already has his own shafts, or to be able to use those shafts on this particular cue. say for example, his shafts, finished dimension is .840". then my unfinished joint after turning and sanding should be ?????? .820?? allowing .020 for finish.
If I were making that same cue for the guy, I would make the joint size to be .828". (.006" thickness of finish x 2 = .012"). I would also keep my fingers crossed hoping the original joint screw had been perfectly centered.

Better yet, I'd try to get my hands on the original cue to make certain it had been.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
If I were making that same cue for the guy, I would make the joint size to be .828". (.006" thickness of finish x 2 = .012"). I would also keep my fingers crossed hoping the original joint screw had been perfectly centered.

Better yet, I'd try to get my hands on the original cue to make certain it had been.
got that right. he's close by. shouldn't be a problem. thanks
 
stix4sale said:
got that right. he's close by. shouldn't be a problem. thanks

I would do none of the above. I would turn the joint to the same size of the shafts, fit the shafts and then sand them together and put a new finish on all.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
I would do none of the above. I would turn the joint to the same size of the shafts, fit the shafts and then sand them together and put a new finish on all.
Dick
And you'd have twice the thickness of finish on the shaft. I'd be more than a little concerned about flex cracks or chipping with it that thick.
 
You will definitely have problems if the finish is too thick. Cracking and shrinking magnify when there is too much there, depending on the type of finish you are using. Urethane gets to where it almost won't cure if there is too much on there. CA glue will crack if there is too much or if it is too hard.

I think .005 is about right. I have measured and played with thicker and thinner finishes of both types... seems like .005 is the magic sweet spot, at least in my experience.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
And you'd have twice the thickness of finish on the shaft. I'd be more than a little concerned about flex cracks or chipping with it that thick.

Maybe you have trouble reading. As I said, the joint is turned to the shaft size and then they are sanded together. The sanding removes the finish off of the shafts as the cue is sanded smooth.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Maybe you have trouble reading. As I said, the joint is turned to the shaft size and then they are sanded together. The sanding removes the finish off of the shafts as the cue is sanded smooth.

Dick

OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
THat's what you meant. (Just kidding):rolleyes:
 
PetreeCues said:
You will definitely have problems if the finish is too thick. Cracking and shrinking magnify when there is too much there, depending on the type of finish you are using. Urethane gets to where it almost won't cure if there is too much on there. CA glue will crack if there is too much or if it is too hard.

I think .005 is about right. I have measured and played with thicker and thinner finishes of both types... seems like .005 is the magic sweet spot, at least in my experience.
hello jeff, i assume that means .010" in overall diameter,
close to "tellitlikeitis" s .012".
so, anywhere between .010 and .015 would be an accurate calculation to turn joint to, unless i have the shafts to do as dickie suggested. that would be the easiest route, i think.
maybe i'm putting on too much finish. i thought it was closer to .020
 
stix4sale said:
hello jeff, i assume that means .010" in overall diameter,
close to "tellitlikeitis" s .012".
so, anywhere between .010 and .015 would be an accurate calculation to turn joint to, unless i have the shafts to do as dickie suggested. that would be the easiest route, i think.
maybe i'm putting on too much finish. i thought it was closer to .020

Why would you ever want that much finish?
 
Michael Webb said:
Why would you ever want that much finish?
it isn't that i "wanted" that much finish, i just thought that that's approximately how much was on the cues. somebody told me that. i heard it somewhere, can't remember who it was though. just for kicks, i'm going to measure the next cue i spray before and after finish.
 
rhncue said:
Maybe you have trouble reading. As I said, the joint is turned to the shaft size and then they are sanded together. The sanding removes the finish off of the shafts as the cue is sanded smooth.

Dick
No need to be so confrontational Dick. It's just conversation, ya know?
 
Dupont makes Slipstick. Therefore they know about and make products for cues. Do they make a finish that is strictly for cues?
 
stix4sale said:
anyone bother to figure out how thick your finish is when completed?
i'm sure it varies, but a guesstimate
is there such a thing as too thick?


I cut the DIAMETER .020" smaller than the joint on the butt. Then when I add my normal finish, I can sand the shaft to fit. If I am in a hurry & using a super glue gel finish, I cut the shaft DIAMETER, .004"-.005" smaller than the butt...JER
 
stix4sale said:
anyone bother to figure out how thick your finish is when completed?
i'm sure it varies, but a guesstimate
is there such a thing as too thick?

I have sanding mandrels in three sizes. The first is for the first sanding before the sealer goes on. The second is for sanding after sealing and the third is for sanding after finishing. Each set is .005 larger than the other.
 
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