question on fronthand english

PKM

PKM

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For anyone who uses fronthand english (pivoting with your bridge hand), do you move the cue with the fingers of your bridge (using a closed bridge) without moving the base of your hand, or do you move your entire hand over?

Because you are not moving the cue much with such a long pivot, it seems like it's easier just to adjust your fingers without moving your hand. Since there is little discussion of this that I'm aware of, I just wanted to get some opinions.
 
sicbinature said:
Maybe I am just naive, but could you be a little clearer about what you are talking about.
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Are you familiar with backhand english? Instead of moving your grip hand to rotate the cue around its pivot point to apply english, you are moving the bridge hand for a cue that has a longer pivot point (while keeping the grip hand still). If you're at the correct pivot point and depending on the speed, the change in aim will exactly offset the squirt from the english.

I just linked this in another thread, which reminded me of asking about it. Colin's video on backhand english:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ERFTM8dbat0
 
PKM said:
For anyone who uses fronthand english (pivoting with your bridge hand), do you move the cue with the fingers of your bridge (using a closed bridge) without moving the base of your hand, or do you move your entire hand over?

Because you are not moving the cue much with such a long pivot, it seems like it's easier just to adjust your fingers without moving your hand. Since there is little discussion of this that I'm aware of, I just wanted to get some opinions.
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Why wouldn't you just put your hand, and therefore the cue,
in the right spot to begin with?

Dale
 
Admitting ignorance, I never what I was doing was "back hand english". I watched that video and we always talked about what was demonstrated as cheating the pocket, cheating the angle or throwing when using an english to help make the shot yet still get the position you need after the shot. I think this is especially used alot on tight shimmed table were you need to roll or spin the object ball into the hole-to make it. Like rail shots on tight tables. Just rolling the ball down the rail into the hole may jaw the ball instead of make it. Where as a lil english can spin the ball in the hole when between the jaws.

But when playing multi rail banks or kicks and needing a lil extra english and spin, I will push thru the cueball from a left to right or right to left motion with the cue tip.

I also thought back hand english was the twisting of the back hand to get more left/right english for very close shots that you don't have alot of room to move the cueball around.

Learned some new terminology :)
ez

PS: I rarely move my front/pivot hand back and forth. I try to keep it at about 10 from tip of cue except when shooting off the rail. I find that move the front hand back any further can get me more english, but my percentage of making the shot goes way down.
 
you are moving the bridge hand

Is that correct?
Or you are moving the CUE without moving your bridge hand by pivoting from the grip ( I like to move my tail then freeze , practice stroke then shoot instead of moving the elbow ).
 
PKM said:
For anyone who uses fronthand english (pivoting with your bridge hand), do you move the cue with the fingers of your bridge (using a closed bridge) without moving the base of your hand, or do you move your entire hand over?

Because you are not moving the cue much with such a long pivot, it seems like it's easier just to adjust your fingers without moving your hand. Since there is little discussion of this that I'm aware of, I just wanted to get some opinions.
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Of course you should move your entire bridge hand rather than changing your bridge. Consistency is pretty much the holy grail in pool.

But be aware that no system of aim adjustment for squirt (such as the "pivot point" methods, "backhand" and "fronthand" english) works as advertised unless you're also compensating somehow for "swerve" (either by reducing your adjustment for squirt or by hitting hard enough to eliminate swerve). Swerve is the other typical effect of sidespin, and it must be adjusted for too (or eliminated by hitting harder).

pj
chgo
 
I remember noticing this in another thread and it got me to thinking. I'm sure a ton of players out there are NOT moving their bridge hand from side to side to put sidespin on a ball, maybe even the vast majority. I know I do it all the time (I didn't put much thought into it, so I dunno if I'm doing it every single time or not). But logically, moving the entire body, feet + bridge + back hand... makes the most sense for the sake of consistency. I think most people feel it's too awkward to do that, or maybe they're just lazy. Anyway, I'll see if I adjust my fingers or not. It may not be possible on a sturdy bridge that you've been using for years to move just the fingers over without changing it and making it feel weird.
 
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