Questions about an OLD Palmer

ugotactionTX

ugotactionTX

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Hey folks, I have an old Palmer from I believe the first catalog. I'm trying to find out some info about its age/make/model stuff like that. It's made from a Titlist full splice blank. One shaft is original,and the other appears to be made later BUT is a perfect match and it has the word "Peterson" written around the pilot. you may be able to make it out in the pics. One shaft has an Ivory ferrule and the other is something else. The wrap looks like Cortland, it's white w/ brown specks. The cue is still perfectly straight separate and together. I may try to sell it if I can find out some info and figure out an asking price.

BTW the foil under the plastic int the butt reads "Palmer Custom"

Any help from you Palmer guru's is much appreciated!

thanks

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It's a Model 6 from the first catalog, one of the early big window cues and a popular model. It probably was made in the mid to late 1960's. The original name label and tape look like they were removed from the butt and replaced with a later-day sticker, which dates to the late 1970's, early 1980's. Somebody probably removed the label because it had someone's name on it - a common thing, and later on another replacement label was stuck on, probably by Palmer's shop. My guess is when Mr. Peterson ordered another shaft from Palmer, requiring him to send the butt in, they replaced the label. They wrote Peterson on the pilot to id the shaft. Palmer shafts from this era are cutom fit to each cue, so they are not necessarily interchangeable.

Many of these cues were made from old pool room Titlists, so they run the gamut of wood types. Pretty good players too.

My web site has a lot of information about Palmer cues:

www.palmercollector.com

Chris
 
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You need some "Tate"

You got Palmer questions...
You need Tate...the Palmer Collector! He will have your answers and then some.
Nice looking cue by the way.
 
ugotactionTX said:
Hey folks, I have an old Palmer from I believe the first catalog. I'm trying to find out some info about its age/make/model stuff like that. It's made from a Titlist full splice blank. One shaft is original,and the other appears to be made later BUT is a perfect match and it has the word "Peterson" written around the pilot. you may be able to make it out in the pics. One shaft has an Ivory ferrule and the other is something else. The wrap looks like Cortland, it's white w/ brown specks. The cue is still perfectly straight separate and together. I may try to sell it if I can find out some info and figure out an asking price.

BTW the foil under the plastic int the butt reads "Palmer Custom"

Any help from you Palmer guru's is much appreciated!

thanks

butt.jpg

forarm.jpg

point.jpg

joint_shaftring.jpg

joint_shaftring2.jpg

complete.jpg

forearm_close.jpg

butt2.jpg

butt3.jpg
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You just gotta love these old Palmers. Sweet
 
I know what your saying... I really like cues built around titlist's. This one plays exceptionally well. The wrap needs to be pressed but over all the cue is in excellent condition. The finish has a nice patina but is a little thin on the forearm. Overall, a real nice example of a classic Palmer! I have another titlist that I'm considering having converted, so this one may need a good home.
 
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wouldn't that be nice!!!!

bullshooter69 said:
Is it possable that the extra shaft was made later by Craig Peterson.
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man... that would be something wouldn't it! I'm not sure how I could verify something like that. Does anyone out there in AZ land know if Craig Peterson ever marked shafts like that?
 
Hi,
Does anyone know the value on a palmer like that? I have a coworker who bought one 40 years ago and let it sit in a closet. He gave it to my brother for free for helping do some PC work. When my bro found out how much the cue was worth he gave it back to the guy(Jim) and let him know that it was a collectible. Anyway, I want to buy the cue from Jim but I want to give the both of us a fair deal. The cue looks close to what the pics are but with only one shaft. Thanks for all you help.
 
Tate could tell you better, but if yours is completely original (the one in the pics is not), it's probably worth in the $600-$700 range, in excellent condition. The fanciest old Palmers (with tons of inlays) go for $2000+ these days.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

penoy78 said:
Hi,
Does anyone know the value on a palmer like that? I have a coworker who bought one 40 years ago and let it sit in a closet. He gave it to my brother for free for helping do some PC work. When my bro found out how much the cue was worth he gave it back to the guy(Jim) and let him know that it was a collectible. Anyway, I want to buy the cue from Jim but I want to give the both of us a fair deal. The cue looks close to what the pics are but with only one shaft. Thanks for all you help.
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original?

Scott Lee said:
Tate could tell you better, but if yours is completely original (the one in the pics is not), it's probably worth in the $600-$700 range, in excellent condition. The fanciest old Palmers (with tons of inlays) go for $2000+ these days.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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hello again,

Just wondering what is "not original" about the cue? I understand that the foil label looks to be different and could possible have been changed out after the original purchase, but how could I find out for sure. Do you think the "original" name is covered by the sticker mentioned in an earlier post? If so, how do you think it would effect the value? I assume the second shaft was made after the first because the pilot is ever so slightly different and the shimmer in the MOP ring is a little different, but I don't know for absolute certainty.

TIA
John
 
John...You answered your own question. The shafts are different, and therefore not both "original", and the 'Palmer' foil in the window has been replaced with a later version. BTW...that is not MOP in the shaft rings. Palmer used plastic rings extensively on their shafts. They did use MOP in some of their inlay work, though. IMO, like Tate mentioned, the cue was likely made for someone else orginally (with their name on the foil), and then sold. The new owner had some work done (maybe a new shaft made), and probably asked them to replace the foil with something generic. The value of any cue that is not completely 'original' is certainly affected by the changes...especially older cues like this. The only way to know for sure, would be to talk to Peter Balner, who is Gene's son, and used to own the company, after his parents passed away. I have no idea how to reach Mr. Balner, but he lives in NYC.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

ugotactionTX said:
hello again,

Just wondering what is "not original" about the cue? I understand that the foil label looks to be different and could possible have been changed out after the original purchase, but how could I find out for sure. Do you think the "original" name is covered by the sticker mentioned in an earlier post? If so, how do you think it would effect the value? I assume the second shaft was made after the first because the pilot is ever so slightly different and the shimmer in the MOP ring is a little different, but I don't know for absolute certainty.

TIA
John
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You are correct!

Thanks for the info Scott. You are absolutely correct, the rings only "look" like MOP. I should have been more specific. They are indeed the standard plastic rings used by Palmer in those days. I doubt real MOP would hold up very well as rings that thick in a player. Wouldn't it get brittle? not sure. I'll try to find out about the sticker.


Scott Lee said:
John...You answered your own question. The shafts are different, and therefore not both "original", and the 'Palmer' foil in the window has been replaced with a later version. BTW...that is not MOP in the shaft rings. Palmer used plastic rings extensively on their shafts. They did use MOP in some of their inlay work, though. IMO, like Tate mentioned, the cue was likely made for someone else orginally (with their name on the foil), and then sold. The new owner had some work done (maybe a new shaft made), and probably asked them to replace the foil with something generic. The value of any cue that is not completely 'original' is certainly affected by the changes...especially older cues like this. The only way to know for sure, would be to talk to Peter Balner, who is Gene's son, and used to own the company, after his parents passed away. I have no idea how to reach Mr. Balner, but he lives in NYC.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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