I think the APA company is too invested in their own rating system to ever consider FR.
I wonder if an APA league could/would report matches if the players requested it.
You could try to organize room tournaments and report yourself.
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I wonder if an APA league could/would report matches if the players requested it.
You could try to organize room tournaments and report yourself.
APA is Scientology of pool, its a cult of KoolAid drinkers.
I was ranked an APA 8 when I entered an handicapped chip tournament a few months ago. When the TD saw me win 7 games in a row, he made me a 9 the next month I entered. I’m a 540/234 Fargo.
The bad news is you're at the low end of 9s.. The good news is that he can't rank you higher than 9. Or does he have 10s?
the wandering thread....
That's a little harsh. The local APA LO worked hard, organized good events and the players had fun. The league was a little unusual in that it was on 9-foot tables in pool halls.
9 is max. I’m def the lowest 9 in actual ability there. Some 700’s started showing up to this chip tournament that pays about 4K for first with the Calcutta. On the plus side, one guy came up to me and said everyone was saying I play on the pro tour, and is it true. I shook him off. Later he kept asking me and I “gave in” and admitted I did. He was so happy. I was cracking up inside.
Whoever was a 644 there must have pissed off a bunch of people LOL
I've said before that players that are too good for the majority of locals to want to play with are in a bad area. No one wants them to destroy the average players and discourage them, but they are not good enough to cash in the open events where the 750+ players play. That's where the handicapping tends to save tournaments.
I think if the APA started entering their data into Fargo it would be worse, since that is where the players are most likely to sandbag and keep the scores close even "trying" to win. Going by points vs racks is also an issue since you can "win" a rack without sinking the 9 ball, so it's a bit tough to score properly. Is the winner the rack the guy that makes the 9 or the guy that makes the most points? I know as a high level player, I'd be more worried about getting most of the points vs trying only to make the 9 and just losing 2. Very likely if a player with a Fargo rating has his APA results entered, they would drop 50 points or more. I've seen too many 500+ Fargo players be 4 or 5s in the APA, but I don't think I have seen nearly as many low Fargo players be higher in APA, unless their robustness was under 100.
How would you translate the APA scoring system and handicap offsets into something accurate enough for FR? Does FR currently accept handicapped match results?
I think APA "points 9-ball" doesn't work at all. I was thinking about 8 ball where I believe the scoring is simply by the rack.
bpeacock
Well-known member
Those are very good points. On second thought, it may not be a good idea.
bpeacock
Well-known member
9-ball is a problem, but you could report 8ball games to FR
Why in the world would they report into another handicapping system that could potentially call into question the validity/accuracy of their own proprietary system?
I doubt that APA management will ever even admit that FargoRate exists, but it still might be possible for a room to report scores if the players there wanted to get ratings.
I never thought about that.
Interesting.
I would think that all players would have to agree to it though, wouldn't they?
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
The guy who runs the tournaments by us told me last night he has been reporting all tournaments through December but fargorate hasn’t updated. He was wondering if the reporting to updating has been changed from right away to monthly or something. All reported through digital pool. Aw a better way to put it is if updating frequency has changed
A question I’d like answered is if a Salotto match is treated the same as a reported tournament match by fargorate. Or if they are weighed differently in the system.
A question I’d like answered is if a Salotto match is treated the same as a reported tournament match by fargorate. Or if they are weighed differently in the system.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Yes the cloth speed. So hard to play on a 7 footer with faster cloth when you practice on a 9.
My table 9 ft with simoniz 860HR. The tables at the bar are diamonds but have some championship crap cloth on there that is faster and you get less cb action because of that also. I play way worse on that 7 footer until warmed up. Always overrun balls, my draw gets out of whack, and almost can’t hit some soft enough when needed
But when went to Vegas those 7 footers had simoniz 860HR. Same as the cloth that I practice on and I was tearing it up out there. The ball was actually stopping where it was supposed to, and I was shooting just as well on those 7’s maybe even better than I do at home on the 9 footer.
That’s absolutely bonkers you think that.
Just shows how many people know absolutely nothing about pool.
There’s a reason why Anton Raga finished 35-58 at the Derby 9 ball…because he’d never played on a Diamond before.
Conditions matter. Specialists are real. Fargo rating can’t account for this because it’s CHOSEN not to.
It would be unbelievably simple to have a combined rating and a rating broken out by game and table size.
FargoRate is lazy and arrogant with their current position in the game. Instead of innovating and working with its fans and members…they tell us to sit in the corner and shut up.