Questions for Mike with FargoRate

They say my known ability is 550+ and won’t let me play at my listed. So me saying I’m a 550-600 isn’t just my opinion. It’s also others opinions of my level. Then I come on here and everybody tries to roast me saying I’m inflating my skill.
Doesn’t really matter what rating they handicap you at. All that matters to Fargo is how many games you win and lose and what the FR of your opponents are.

So even if they play you at a 550, your FR will shoot up to that if you play other 550s even or beat them for a period of time (based on games won/lost, not match results). And if you don’t do that, the TOs should believe you’re not a 550.
 
Sorry if this offends him but he is just another guy who thinks he plays better than he really does!
No they automatically make me play at 550+ since the first tournament I played. But for some reason fargorate listed my starter rating as a 480 even though I was listed at 550 in the first one
 
Doesn’t really matter what rating they handicap you at. All that matters to Fargo is how many games you win and lose and what the FR of your opponents are.

So even if they play you at a 550, your FR will shoot up to that if you play other 550s even or beat them for a period of time (based on games won/lost, not match results). And if you don’t do that, the TOs should believe you’re not a 550.
Well they tell me to stay sober and I might win. That’s what happened on NYE. I had 2 drinks and placed fourth. I have bad habit of overdueing it by about hour 3 of tournaments. I have at least 30 losses on there that I don’t remember. One night was falling over myself and knocking over tables. Lost 10 in a row guess I kept telling one guy was gonna kick his ass(at pool) and couldn’t even hold my stick.😂😂😂
 
So on a serious note here. I’m established. So let’s say I walk into your hall with my fargorate of 475. What are you gonna do to me if I come from out of town and play like a 600 all night? You are gonna be pissed and I might even get hurt. My listed rate isn’t going to hold any water now is it. If I smoke my first two opponents I’ll probably be raised or disqualified even though that’s my listed rate
 
Well they tell me to stay sober and I might win. That’s what happened on NYE. I had 2 drinks and placed fourth. I have bad habit of overdueing it by about hour 3 of tournaments. I have at least 30 losses on there that I don’t remember. One night was falling over myself and knocking over tables. Lost 10 in a row guess I kept telling one guy was gonna kick his ass(at pool) and couldn’t even hold my stick.😂😂😂
Ah, the plot thickens. Maybe they’re raising your rating in the hopes you’ll stop entering.
 
I don’t care anyway. If I go by Dr Dave’s chart translating APA to fargorate my fargorate is 550. So I don’t really need to justify myself any more just will stick to the facts.heres the chart. Lowest 7 in 8 ball
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is a 550 Fargo and I have more wins than losses.
 
So on a serious note here. I’m established. So let’s say I walk into your hall with my fargorate of 475. What are you gonna do to me if I come from out of town and play like a 600 all night? You are gonna be pissed and I might even get hurt. My listed rate isn’t going to hold any water now is it. If I smoke my first two opponents I’ll probably be raised or disqualified even though that’s my listed rate

You're playing in the wrong place in the wrong tournaments.

Come down here with your established rating whatever it is, show valid ID that you are who you say you are, pay your money, and jump into the box.

I'm playing in an under 600 this weekend. I think there are four spots open.

If that's too short notice, there's one the first week in February. U600 eight ball. Two days and 64 players, $110 entry. I'll be disappointed if there's not north of $8,000 in the players auction.

Come on down!
 
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So on a serious note here. I’m established. So let’s say I walk into your hall with my fargorate of 475. What are you gonna do to me if I come from out of town and play like a 600 all night? You are gonna be pissed and I might even get hurt. My listed rate isn’t going to hold any water now is it. If I smoke my first two opponents I’ll probably be raised or disqualified even though that’s my listed rate
The reality is if you're an established 475 you're going to have a hard time telling the difference between your game and that of someone who is a 550 or 575 since players at that level aren't running racks consistently. Definitely aren't stringing racks together. The 575 isn't going to be cueing the ball dramatically different either. It's a subtle difference in tactics and consistency.

Now the next hundred point difference is more obvious. The difference between 600 and 700 can probably be seen by most people in the room that are paying attention.
 
You're playing in the wrong place in the wrong tournaments.

Come down here with your established rating whatever it is, show valid ID that you are who you say you are, pay your money, and jump into the box.

I'm playing in under 600 tomorrow this weekend. I think there are four spots open.

If that's too short notice, there's one the first week in February. U600 eight ball. Two days and 64 players, $110 entry. I'll show me out be disappointed if there's not north of $8,000 in the players auction.

Come on down!
Damn what part of Florida is it? My brother lives in southern Alabama and I plan to visit him this year
 
The reality is if you're an established 475 you're going to have a hard time telling the difference between your game and that of someone who is a 550 or 575 since players at that level aren't running racks consistently. Definitely aren't stringing racks together. The 575 isn't going to be cueing the ball dramatically different either. It's a subtle difference in tactics and consistency.

Now the next hundred point difference is more obvious. The difference between 600 and 700 can probably be seen by most people in the room that are paying attention.
The reality is over the past year in APA I avg 1 break and run per match in 8 ball or 20%.
 
So let’s say I walk into your hall with my fargorate of 475. What are you gonna do to me if I come from out of town and play like a 600 all night?
Why wouldn’t you play like your established rating of 472? Are you saying you’ve been dumping a large percentage of your 383 games in the system to hide your speed? Or were you drunk for the majority of them? Or have you taken a break from FR events and gotten way better while not playing in any FR-reporting games?

The difference between a 472 and a 600 is massive (the 600 is over 2X as strong). Post an unedited video of yourself playing the 9-ball ghost in a race to 11 and we can tell you which you’re closer to.
 
Damn what part of Florida is it? My brother lives in southern Alabama and I plan to visit him this year

Greater Orlando.

Last month was a $1000 entry under 600. 120 players. First place walked away with $42,000 including the calcutta and side pots...

500 robustness needed in Fargo. But you should have that in time for the next one…
 
Why wouldn’t you play like your established rating of 472? Are you saying you’ve been dumping a large percentage of your 383 games in the system to hide your speed? Or were you drunk for the majority of them? Or have you taken a break from FR events and gotten way better while not playing in any FR-reporting games?

The difference between a 472 and a 600 is massive (the 600 is over 2X as strong). Post an unedited video of yourself playing the 9-ball ghost in a race to 11 and we can tell you which you’re closer to.
I will in next couple of weeks. Working on insulation and my table is blocked. I never get less than 3 against the ghost in a race to 7. And that is what I am trying to say here. That is a 30% minimum break and run with ball in hand. No ball in hand with a shot on the 1. Does it really drop that much without ball in hand? No it doesn’t. Not when omitting racks that a ball isn’t pocketed on the break. Not at that level it doesn’t.

And yes I’ve been fd upalmost every fargorate tournament I’ve played in
 
One more thing 2x as good isn’t that much better. All that says is one guy missed four times in 3 racks and the other guy still missed but only twice.
 
One more thing 2x as good isn’t that much better. All that says is one guy missed four times in 3 racks and the other guy still missed but only twice.

That is not what that means lol. One guy could miss straight ins and the other guy misses long table length cuts etc. They are not the same type of misses. Or maybe the guy misses because he was hooked or left with bad position after his opponents missed.

Twice as good means they win twice as much.
 
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Why wouldn’t you play like your established rating of 472? Are you saying you’ve been dumping a large percentage of your 383 games in the system to hide your speed? Or were you drunk for the majority of them? Or have you taken a break from FR events and gotten way better while not playing in any FR-reporting games?

The difference between a 472 and a 600 is massive (the 600 is over 2X as strong). Post an unedited video of yourself playing the 9-ball ghost in a race to 11 and we can tell you which you’re closer to.
I can post one on a barbox but then will probably still get hate mail. My problem is I tend to miss an early ball against the ghost. My 9 and 10 ball ghosts scores are approximately the same. I’ll put up both. If I miss it’s usually the one the two or the three when shape is more important
 
I will in next couple of weeks. Working on insulation and my table is blocked. I never get less than 3 against the ghost in a race to 7. And that is what I am trying to say here. That is a 30% minimum break and run with ball in hand. No ball in hand with a shot on the 1. Does it really drop that much without ball in hand? No it doesn’t. Not when omitting racks that a ball isn’t pocketed on the break. Not at that level it doesn’t.
7 or 9 ft table? 8-ball or 9-ball?

And yes, not taking ball in hand makes a big difference in how many racks you’ll run (in 9-ball). Running a table against the ghost isn’t a break and run.

If you’re getting an average of 30% break and runs against the God (no BIH, have to make a ball) on a 9ft table playing 9-ball across at least 10 sets or so, you’re well above a 600. Fedor Gorst is just below 50%.

Maybe you’re saying you’re 30% BnR playing the ghost 8-ball on a 7 ft table. I could see a good 475-500 doing that regularly, maybe not all the time, but it would happen.
 
I can post one on a barbox but then will probably still get hate mail. My problem is I tend to miss an early ball against the ghost. My 9 and 10 ball ghosts scores are approximately the same. I’ll put up both. If I miss it’s usually the one the two or the three when shape is more important
You won’t get hate mail, but the 9-ball ghost is definitely easier to beat on a bar box than a 9-footer.

And if your tendency is missing one of the first three balls with ball in hand, that sounds more like a 475 than a 600.
 
I like fargorate. I like Mike Page.
Me too....
I like the fact that he defends his math with clear proof.
Meh... The defense is standard "stats logic".

Hey look, there's a bunch of leafy trees in that pine forest that haven't grown as tall. Do you think we should consider why...? Ya we could and it might give us some insight into why the Leafy ones are the way they are vs the pines. However they only matter if you consider them. If you wait until the forest has grown enough correctly sized pine trees then we can pretend the leafy ones aren't there.
I like that Mike does not argue about whether his app is outdated. I like that he doesn't talk about changing this or that.
To be clear, and unless I've missed something. Mike doesn't even speak about his app. Forget about arguing, as there is no argument...lol

In fact the only time I recall Mike mentioning his app, was when he was pushing it's use over the webpage.

Thus far the only real effort I've seen put into this app since it's release, is the effort Fargo put into renewing my subscription.
I would rather deal with something ,as it is then listen to talk about fixing this or that and it never happens.
"Talk" in the above context implies false promises from Mike and Fargo. There is zero talk about fixing or improving anything, so the only thing you're listening to are the app users who would like the to see the experience enhanced. I have yet to see any misleading/false chatter from Mike. Silence is golden as they say.
 
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