How do you make it self sustaining? How does that work?
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How do you make it self sustaining? How does that work?
We actually played a tournament with these rules in Memphis Tn.
We actually played a tournament with these rules in Memphis Tn.....Roger Griffis won it and it was pretty interesting with a 10 second shot clock. I got 5th, but it was a lot of fun not having to play safe. :wink:
The pro tour stuff isn't going to work. The logical thing is to start a business that is self sustaining based on TV.
That reminds me, the Mosconi Cup Team has just been announced for the USA. This will be made public today from MatchRoom Sport. Stay Tuned.
We actually played a tournament with these rules in Memphis Tn.....Roger Griffis won it and it was pretty interesting with a 10 second shot clock. I got 5th, but it was a lot of fun not having to play safe. :wink:
The pro tour stuff isn't going to work. The logical thing is to start a business that is self sustaining based on TV.
That reminds me, the Mosconi Cup Team has just been announced for the USA. This will be made public today from MatchRoom Sport. Stay Tuned.
And this has worked so well for the WPBA? Let's get real here. The only WPBA women who travel to international events are the ones that either live outside the USA or who have good sponsors to help defray expenses. Of the rest of the WPBA very few of them go to the international events with regularity.
The WPBA is down to like 3 events in the USA.
Whatever is happening in pool outside the USA has ZERO effect on pool in the USA. The BCA has just about zero effect on pool in the USA. This whole governing body nonsense is just that, nonsense. I am at the point where I can't even stand to hear that term anymore.
The fact is that there is no governing body of "pool" in the United States. None. There are plenty of organizations who have their own thing going. The leagues, the tours, individual tournaments, professional groups, etc....
NONE of them are working together for a common cause. Some of them want to work together while most don't. Face it, pool is a fringe sport in the USA and most people consider it to be something to pass the time in a bar or a home game room. Most people could care less if people play it professionally and have no interest in watching it. Now there are several ways in which pool could maybe catch people's attention but for those ways to make it to television in a meaningful way will require a lot more effort than the billiard industry is willing or able to put forth.
That's simple reality. It doesn't matter if pool blows up in Asia and there are million dollar events it won't change things in the USA on the pool scene. If you think otherwise then ask yourself why there are no million dollar snooker events in the USA? Snooker has been a sport making millionaires of it's top players for the past 30 years.
In fact at the China Open POOL tournament the channel which had been broadcasting the tournament live decided to cut off the finals mid-set just to broadcast the welcome ceremony for the snooker players who would play in the Shanghai Masters. So pool ain't doing so great here in China either despite puffed up reports to the contrary.
As far as Mark's rant about the WPBL bumping up to the end of November, it was the city of Las Vegas that forced that issue! It certainly was not a decision that Larry Chiborak wanted to do. That issue also halted construction on the arena until an unexpected addition was added to the blueprints. Something that is not found in any other city, I might add. It even caught our Las Vegas construction firm by surprise. They had to bump up our possesion date to late November.
Nathan put together his first video production in one week and so we are confident that we can produce a fantastic show for the end of the month! It will start off with Johnny Archer's Atlanta Scorpions vs Earl Strickland's New York Pride. It will be a completely FREE PPV weekend featuring all 12 teams playing the strategic game of Bonus Ball, a new and exciting billiard game.
Check out www.playbonusball.com to watch two quickly produced videos which includes Shane Van Boening playing this well structured game! Nathan will have a new website up shortly at wpbl.tv with the new schedule.
Thank you.
Nathan put together his first video production in one week and so we are confident that we can produce a fantastic show for the end of the month! It will start off with Johnny Archer's Atlanta Scorpions vs Earl Strickland's New York Pride. It will be a completely FREE PPV weekend featuring all 12 teams playing the strategic game of Bonus Ball, a new and exciting billiard game.
Check out www.playbonusball.com to watch two quickly produced videos which includes Shane Van Boening playing this well structured game! Nathan will have a new website up shortly at wpbl.tv with the new schedule.
Thank you.
Justin, a plea....next time, please dispense with the clicking of the pen. I didn't know what it was initially, but it was driving me buggy. Finally figured it out once you got your hand in frame....
Maybe its because I was listening with headphones, but it was really noticeable.
That one gripe aside, thanks for the podcast, both to you and to Mark. I really appreciate you guys doing them, and look forward to the next one.
Maybe its because I was listening with headphones, but it was really noticeable.
That one gripe aside, thanks for the podcast, both to you and to Mark. I really appreciate you guys doing them, and look forward to the next one.
association to the Big Screen and Movie Stars like Tom Cruise and Paul Newman
Pool is like anything else it must be associated with something "larger than life". The movies 'The Hustler' and 'The Color of Money' did this with the association to the Big Screen and Movie Stars like Tom Cruise and Paul Newman. Without these types of association that mass public associates pool with, like you said, John, playing in bars and and a passtime activity.
That's why I believe there must be a way to develop some pool characters to change the association into something more productive. Fats and "The Miz" did this on a smaller scale, but it worked well. "The Black Widow" is another example of someone that has developed a character, but seemed to he held back from the "sample example" of others to follow. None did.
Pool is like anything else it must be associated with something "larger than life". The movies 'The Hustler' and 'The Color of Money' did this with the association to the Big Screen and Movie Stars like Tom Cruise and Paul Newman. Without these types of association that mass public associates pool with, like you said, John, playing in bars and and a passtime activity.
That's why I believe there must be a way to develop some pool characters to change the association into something more productive. Fats and "The Miz" did this on a smaller scale, but it worked well. "The Black Widow" is another example of someone that has developed a character, but seemed to he held back from the "sample example" of others to follow. None did.
I agree with this whole post.
Lately I have been watching docs about soccer in the UK and Europe. It is truly stunning how well organized it is and how popular it is everywhere on earth but here. I ask myself "Self...if many people with very much money cant get a sport like soccer to be widely accepted in the US just how in the hell is someone supposed to do it with pool?"
I also ask myself "Self....if a company like Matchroom will not come into the US market is that what some people call a clue?"
Forget main stream. Never happen. Niche sport supporting a handful of pro players with a structure allowing a path to the pro ranks? Its possible.
I urge everyone to watch Once in a Lifetime http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489247/ . Its a doc about the President of Warner Brothers in the 70's and his buddies trying to bring pro soccer to the US. Big money, celebrities, stadiums and finally TV. It worked for a few years. Then everyone went bust. Sound familiar? Organizing anything is hard. Just having celebrity faces or money is no guarantee of anything.
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My bad. That kind of thing makes me nuts too. Didnt even think about it at the time. Won't happen again.
A pro system would be funded by an amateur system. This ties the pros and amateurs together as well as provides a path from amateur to pro. Its not exactly rocket science. What it is though is complicated when it comes to the details and overcoming the great deal of "Screw the pro's" sentiment out there in the amateur ranks.
20,000 amateurs paying .50 cents a week is $40,000 a month for pro events, youth programs, advertising etc.
APA could do it tomorrow if they wanted. The USAPL has the basic structure in place to do just that. The numbers are just an example they can be less or even more depending on the situation but it self sustains. That base allows you to build a structure. With a structure and solid financing comes a real schedule. With a real schedule you can go out and actually have something to sell to sponsors to grow both the league and the pro side.
Its all up and running right now. But it seems a lot of people are not interested in building something that makes sense. They want pool on opposite Monday Night Football now or nothing at all.
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"I’m a fan of capitalism because history proves it works."
If someone figures out how to make "it" work financially (for profit), then it shall be done. Until then, which includes the possibility of never, then pool will remain a niche game not widely accepted by the masses.
That's all. Peace.
~Razor
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I've learned some unusual things on this Forum. Thanks *Razor, you just taught me something really valuable through your very name. :wink:
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It is possible to describe the other planets in the Solar System as revolving around the Earth, but that explanation is unnecessarily complex compared to the contemporary consensus that all planets in the Solar System revolve around the Sun. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I've learned some unusual things on this Forum. Thanks *Razor, you just taught me something really valuable through your very name. :wink:
*Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor, Latin lex parsimoniae) is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.
It is possible to describe the other planets in the Solar System as revolving around the Earth, but that explanation is unnecessarily complex compared to the contemporary consensus that all planets in the Solar System revolve around the Sun. 'The Game is the Teacher'