Quick 10-ball rules question

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RonnieOSullivan

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwcFO7RbQgs&feature=player_detailpage#t=467

In this match (the infamous one at the end of which Jayson snaps his cue), at this time, Shaw dogs a ball but lucks on out the roll and doesn't leave Earl with a shot. No other ball goes in, and either way Shaw was obviously not calling safe, he was trying to make the ball.

But Earl gives the shot back to him without giving him ball in hand. I don't understand that. How can Earl just give the shot back to Shaw here? I feel like I'm missing something. I figured the only way Earl could give it back to Shaw here without actually having to make a legal shot would be to give him ball in hand.

What am I missing?
 
It's the Predator 10-ball rules. If you miss, your opponent has the option to take the shot or give it back to you, sort of like a push out. It takes the luck of missing but accidentally leaving your opponent safe out of the game. You have to call safe to make sure that your opponent will be stuck with the next shot.

http://www.predatorproamtour.com/rules.asp
 
BRussell said:
It's the Predator 10-ball rules. If you miss, your opponent has the option to take the shot or give it back to you, sort of like a push out. It takes the luck of missing but accidentally leaving your opponent safe out of the game. You have to call safe to make sure that your opponent will be stuck with the next shot.

http://www.predatorproamtour.com/rules.asp
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Thanks a lot. I didn't understand, and the commentators acted like it was nothing out of the ordinary.

How often is 10 ball played with this rule set? I feel like I never see this.
 
Not sure how many people play this way but these are the only rules that I have played 10-ball by. Makes the game much better.
 
RonnieOSullivan said:
Thanks a lot. I didn't understand, and the commentators acted like it was nothing out of the ordinary.

How often is 10 ball played with this rule set? I feel like I never see this.
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The Predator tour I believe was the first to use it. Then the ABP (are they still around?) declared this is the way they wanted the game played in order to be considered an APB sanctioned event, Allen Hopkins ran the SBE 10 Ball this way on and off a couple of times as a result, but don't know how he's doing it this year. Other than that I see it played most often by WPA rules.

Essentially, it eliminates the two-way shot of trying to make a shot but having plan B to leave a safety if you miss.
 
I dont play 10ball much. What's the ruling if you called safe and pocket a ball during the shot? Does that still force you to continue shooting like in 9ball, or does your opponent take the table as it lies?
 
Typically in call safe games you give up the table if you call safe regardless if you make a ball.

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StraightPoolIU said:
Typically in call safe games you give up the table if you call safe regardless if you make a ball.

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Not quite in WPA 10-ball. By Rules 9.6 and 9.7, any non-called dropped ball (wrongfully pocketed ball) allows the incoming player the option to pass it back.

Freddie <~~~ hates it
 
Cornerman said:
Not quite in WPA 10-ball. By Rules 9.6 and 9.7, any non-called dropped ball (wrongfully pocketed ball) allows the incoming player the option to pass it back.

Freddie <~~~ hates it
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Yeah I knew it was that way under WPA rules. I was answering the question in regards to the Predator Tour 10 ball rules i.e. call shot, call safe. Also, in other games where you call safe such as 14.1 you are allowed to pocket a ball and leave the table. Also, used to be the case in WPA 8 ball. Not sure if it still is.
 
I also felt like this rule was very rare... and that we'd never see it gain traction
outside of the Predator tour.

But recently, our local tour in VA/DC/MD adopted this passback rule.
It massively changes the game.

I hope it doesn't become the norm.
 
American Rotation uses these call ball/pass back rules. If ya think it's rough rules for 10 ball, try 15 ball rotation! It's a clustered chess match every rack.

I dig it. I think the better the player is, the more he/she will embrace call ball/pass back.
 
CreeDo said:
I also felt like this rule was very rare... and that we'd never see it gain traction
outside of the Predator tour.

But recently, our local tour in VA/DC/MD adopted this passback rule.
It massively changes the game.

I hope it doesn't become the norm.
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Why don't you like it?

Even though it hurts me more than most of the guys I play competitively (for whatever reason I think I get more than my share of lucky safes), I like the rule. I think it takes a ton of luck out of the game. In fact, I think it takes far more luck out the game than call-shot rules (eliminating slop). Missing and lucking a safe is much more common than missing and lucking a different ball or a different pocket.

-Andrew
 
Yeah I like it too. You should be penalized fully for missing.

What I don't get is the rule that your opponent can pass it back to you if you accidentally make a ball on a safety. It often makes sense to make a ball and play safe. Why remove that possibility? What problem does that solve?
 
BRussell said:
Yeah I like it too. You should be penalized fully for missing.

What I don't get is the rule that your opponent can pass it back to you if you accidentally make a ball on a safety. It often makes sense to make a ball and play safe. Why remove that possibility? What problem does that solve?
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I agree, if you call safe it shouldn't matter if you accidentally make a ball. If it's the 10 it should spot up, but regardless your opponent should have to shoot from the safe you played. Maybe the idea is that if you're allowed to pocket the OB, playing safe becomes too easy? Because then you're hiding the CB from a stationary ball, rather than the one you just hit?

-Andrew
 
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