quitting winner

Doug said:
There is a well heeled businessman in my area (30 miles away) who loves to play pool and plays very good but not good enough to beat any good shortstops or pros and has routinely lost 5 figures. Jack Cooney can attest to this. At the room where I play a couple of road players stopped in and inquired about him and said they planned to set him up for a big score. Unknown to them his brother in law was in the room also and overheard their talk and called to make his brother in law aware of the setup. Their strategy was to let him win the first set and then raise the bet, as per usual. A few days later they were back upset and talking about what a nit the guy was and said he had no gamble, and called him a lot less than honorable names. Almost all of their money was gone. They had made an offer to play for $5K but the informed mark said he didn't play that low and raised it to $10K. According to their plan he won the set but unexpectidly he quit. What do you think about that? Was he a nit? Should he have continued to play and lose a lot of money to them or give them their money back?
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did he give his brother in law any? not only did he make him money with his tip but he saved him money. sounds like he might have saved him like 20k or so
 
uwate said:
I was up at the local pool room on Tuesday and one of the best young player in South Florida was playing another local shortstop a set for 2500, giving up the 8. The guy getting the 8 wins the set 15-8 and then proceeds to quit winner.

As if this is not bad enough, today a buddy tells me the same young player who got quit on played a set for 500 against a pro, getting the 7 playing 10ball. The pro wins the first set and quits.

What the hell? I feel bad for this player who got beat twice and then quit on in one week. It seems to me that alot more nitty moves are happening these days bc money is so tight.
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For $2.5 grand against one of the best players in South Florida I might just quit as well.
 
Barring a previous agreement to play multiple sets or to play until a certain amount of money had been won or lost, every set stands on its own as a separate investment.

Otherwise, the idea that one can't quit ahead is a falsehood given the hard sell in the world of pool hustlers. It's a way of making sure their fish doesn't quit ahead after the hustler dumps the first set to set up their action. I recall a top hustler telling me to never sidebet on him in the first set of any action match, as he often dumped it. Hmmmm.

If you don't think you can quit ahead, you probably don't think you can leave a racetrack or casino ahead either. But you can, because when you're betting your money, you can stop anytime you like.
 
Hustling

Dumping the first set is one of the oldest hustles in the book, I have done it many times myself. Because the player gets it in his head that if he beat you once he can do it again. Don't double the bet though, that is a tell.
Double the bet after the 3rd or 4th set, when he is stuck and will be wanting to get his money back and more.

I have seen many a road player get beat by locals too. All road players are not world beaters, they simply went on the road to TRY to win some money.
 
Uwate. Monster wants to know how come it wasn't mentioned that the young player didn't keep playing the week before when one player was supposed to get up 2 sets to win the $5000. Who pulled the money down then when they got even. Just explain that.
 
this thread has gone on for a while. It sure has turned funny because
a) I was there playing in a tournament and just saw the start and the finish of this set for 2500. I had no stake in this at all (Voodoo Daddy). Not even a side bet. Nothing. It just seemed wrong to me the way it went down. Loser gets drilled 15-8 and then doesnt get a second set that he was asking for. To me thats brutal. This isnt the case of two guys playing 25hrs and then the winner quits. As pointed out by many in this thread, yeah thats not the same at all.
b) I didnt know about the one set discussion thing at the start, all I saw was that at the end, the loser wanted to play again but was sitting there fuming bc the other player quit. I wasnt purposely withholding info when I started this thread. I just had heard that he got quit on by a Mosconi cup pro for 500 three days later and I thought gee thats double brutal. I thought it would make an interesting discussion and well, it did.
c) I didnt name anyone and wasnt trying to talk shit about Monster (FSutton). You named him, I didnt. I was perfectly content to just talk about the quitting winner thing and see what people thought and not make it seem like I was badmouthing anyone. So tell Monster that FSutton. If you told him I was talking shit about him, you should tell him that I never named him, you did.

I understand all the points of view in this thread but imo you beat someone 15-8 for 2500, you probably should play again or at the very least agree to another one the next day. I mean cmon 15-8? I still say thats NITTY to quit winner from that spot. It was 12 midnight. To both of those guys it was like 4 in the afternoon. Its not like either had to get up to go to work the next day.
 
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Doug said:
There is a well heeled businessman in my area (30 miles away) who loves to play pool and plays very good but not good enough to beat any good shortstops or pros and has routinely lost 5 figures. Jack Cooney can attest to this. At the room where I play a couple of road players stopped in and inquired about him and said they planned to set him up for a big score. Unknown to them his brother in law was in the room also and overheard their talk and called to make his brother in law aware of the setup. Their strategy was to let him win the first set and then raise the bet, as per usual. A few days later they were back upset and talking about what a nit the guy was and said he had no gamble, and called him a lot less than honorable names. Almost all of their money was gone. They had made an offer to play for $5K but the informed mark said he didn't play that low and raised it to $10K. According to their plan he won the set but unexpectidly he quit. What do you think about that? Was he a nit? Should he have continued to play and lose a lot of money to them or give them their money back?
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In this situation the businessman did what he should have done given the information he had. Somehow this conversation has morphed from what the proper etiquette when gambling to what happens when the parties are trying to hustle each other.

Every one knows that there are rules to gambling, unspoken ones but rules nonetheless. It seems as though gambling etiquette is an oxymoron. However when one becomes known as bad action then they find that they cannot get games unless all the terms are stringently agreed upon in advance.

In poker a person who becomes known for buying in and quitting after taking down a single large pot, thus taking all the money out of play, is then branded as the kind of person who is not welcome at most tables.

Hustlers do not subject themselves to the rules that gamblers live by. Hustlers by definition are not gambling. They are the tricksters, to use the term that RA Dyer has used, who revel in flouting the rules. While they are the ones who will lose a set on purpose to reel in the fish they are also the ones who will quit one set winner when they feel that perhaps they don't have the best of it after all. Or perhaps they mean to elicit an angry response from the mark in order to goad him to making a foolish game. In any event the rules are not followed by hustlers although as SJM has pointed out they are not above using them to further their trickery.
 
I didn't say his name till he went thru here and read it all and told me to post the things I did with his name on here.

He also told me to say that HE is still here and hasn't gone anywhere and the young guy can come back and play. He ain't hard to find.

I didn't tell him you were talking trash.. he just read thru all the post on his own. Seeing as he doesn't do the computer thing I posted it on his behalf.
 
Haven't read the whole thread, and I am sure it has been said before, but here goes. Where and when I grew up, quitting winner was NOT ACCEPTABLE. If a time was given, that changes everything, and there are some exceptions, but overall, it is about the nittiest thing ever. Still drives me nuts when somebody has me stuck 4 games of one hole, and tells me that this game(almost always their break, no less) is their last. It is purely principal to me, and rarely financial. I can understand, to a certain extent, if it is serious gambling between to non friends. But if it is two locals, ARGGGGGGHHHHHHH. :p
 
easy-e said:
Good points! If I won a set and thought I was lucky to do so, I'd be done. After all, I fulfilled my end of the contract: Race to 7 for 100.

Anybody who goes back and reads one of the other 3,450 threads about quitting winner will see that I am in the camp that says "make the arrangements ahead of time, or be prepared to be quit on".
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This post should be a sticky....
 
muttley76 said:
Haven't read the whole thread, and I am sure it has been said before, but here goes. Where and when I grew up, quitting winner was NOT ACCEPTABLE. If a time was given, that changes everything, and there are some exceptions, but overall, it is about the nittiest thing ever. Still drives me nuts when somebody has me stuck 4 games of one hole, and tells me that this game(almost always their break, no less) is their last. It is purely principal to me, and rarely financial. I can understand, to a certain extent, if it is serious gambling between to non friends. But if it is two locals, ARGGGGGGHHHHHHH. :p
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For about 35 yrs.(while I was seriously gambling) when someone said this is the last game, I said i'll bet it's not. When the asked what do you mean, I said we just played the last game.
PS; A lot of pressure trying to win the last one. A lot of times if they won, they'd say well just one more, and so on.
 
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