i was ahead 320 and lost most of it back tonight. i wish i had quit while i was ahead. i still came out 150 ahead but i wanted the rest of the cash so bad.
i gotta learn when to quit
i gotta learn when to quit
quitting winner
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real bartram said:
un oh, i offended the big gambler.
Please spare me the details.
Not all of us are geared to "play till you die" like you.
For some of us, stamina is a mysterious thing that is ever elusive, so that whole play without any breaks/last man standing pissing contest type of scenario isn't even an option.
If you want your sessions to be a stamina contest, that's fine.
But if someone has crappy stamina, and doesn't like to play while they are out of gas, they can do what they want. There isn't any law.
Just cause you have your terms that you gamble by, doesn't mean that they are the correct terms for everyone, and that everyone has to abide by them.
Just set the criteria before you play, and there really should be no sorts of problems as to who quits when.
like i said your a nit.SUPERSTAR said:un oh, i offended the big gambler.
Please spare me the details.
Not all of us are geared to "play till you die" like you.
For some of us, stamina is a mysterious thing that is ever elusive, so that whole play without any breaks/last man standing pissing contest type of scenario isn't even an option.
If you want your sessions to be a stamina contest, that's fine.
But if someone has crappy stamina, and doesn't like to play while they are out of gas, they can do what they want. There isn't any law.
Just cause you have your terms that you gamble by, doesn't mean that they are the correct terms for everyone, and that everyone has to abide by them.
Just set the criteria before you play, and there really should be no sorts of problems as to who quits when.
i did not say your a bad guy.
i just said your a nit.
real bartram said:
i'm not joking. why's he a nit? i think i missed it
a few of his post.poolplayer2093 said:
post number 50.
Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit Nit
It is easy to define a nit. That is anybody that won't play me in a game I set up to my advantage or play me until I win. Of course I don't work for a living and I can catch you when you come to the pool hall for a few hours to unwind after a long work week. I just got up at six PM after sleeping all day to catch the fish just like you if you think you can't quit winner.
When we grind for twelve hours, I have been up just over twelve hours, you twenty-four. I can grind for twenty-four hours, more if I have to. No matter how long I want to grind you have to spot me that twelve hours without sleep and keep grinding if you are ahead. If not you are a N-I-T NIT!!
There is another name for people that let gamblers manipulate them into the gambler's game played the way the gambler wants to play it.
Fish!
Hu
poolplayer2093 said:
It is easy to define a nit. That is anybody that won't play me in a game I set up to my advantage or play me until I win. Of course I don't work for a living and I can catch you when you come to the pool hall for a few hours to unwind after a long work week. I just got up at six PM after sleeping all day to catch the fish just like you if you think you can't quit winner.
When we grind for twelve hours, I have been up just over twelve hours, you twenty-four. I can grind for twenty-four hours, more if I have to. No matter how long I want to grind you have to spot me that twelve hours without sleep and keep grinding if you are ahead. If not you are a N-I-T NIT!!
There is another name for people that let gamblers manipulate them into the gambler's game played the way the gambler wants to play it.
Fish!
Hu
real bartram said:
Oh i see.......
real bartram said:
LOL. The typical response.
Everyone is different. So you calling me a nit is fine.
It doesn't matter anyway as you have you opinion and no one is trying to change it.
But on that same note that is the typical response i expect from someone who not only plays good, but who CAN outlast someone.
Like i said, there is no law.
But it's not even an issue as i'm sure your smart enough to lay out the details before you match up so that you don't have to deal with any curveballs.
The people that get mad, are the ones who don't protect themselves.
But realistically, i like to play, and i have the problem that i don't like to stop.
Anyone that knows me knows that i will empty out if i like the game, EVEN if i am getting slaughtered,
BUT, my stamina stinks.
So what ends up happening is that i start off great, but then when the wheels fall off, it's like GIVING IT AWAY.
Believe me, it took me a while to finally learn this.
So if the guy i'm playing knows me well enough, they know that they need to bring extra ammo, and that ultimately, they WILL outlast me.
So you mean to tell me that knowing this before hand, if i get up a bunch of sets, i am OBLIGATED to just give it all back when i fall apart?
Why bother playing then?
But if i know i am toast after initially coming out of the gate GREAT, and i am going down the toilet, i am a NIT if i say that i am done for the day, and that we can match up another day after i get some rest? I mean, it's not like they are never getting action ever again, so what's the problem?
I dunno where the logic in that whole "give it all back so you are respected as a gambler" comes from.
Plus, even when you set timelines, or a set minimum, if you get out to a big lead, and then when you start to fade and they sense this, if you quit after the allotted time, 9 times out of 10, THEY STILL get all bent.
It's like, any way you slice it you lose.
That's why you negotiate the terms before hand.
If you don't, then you only have yourself to blame.
Pool and poker are compared a lot of times - how come in poker, no one is chastised for getting up from the table and quitting winner? Once in awhile someone might say to the person leaving, 'Hey it is still early' or whatever but no one at a poker table really makes it a big issue.
Is it because poker is not a one vs one game (well not normally) so one person quitting with another player ready to fill the sit makes it a non issue?
Is it because poker is not a one vs one game (well not normally) so one person quitting with another player ready to fill the sit makes it a non issue?
watchez said:
The reason is because poker players are in huge abudance and so is the action. If a pool player gets quit on out of the clear blue at a game he likes then he feels empty and is mad because his opportunity to win at a game has just been stolen from him and when will that opportunity present itself again? Also, of course the obvious reason is money. I would say on average poker players have a lot more money or bank roll then a pool player, so it hurts the pool player when he gets quit on for a significant amount. I know what it feels like to get pulled up on out of the clear blue for a significant amount of money (hillbilly heaven) and it is a sick feeling when you know it is purely a "move".
yes its one on one.watchez said:
if you play a ring game 10 players like poker and you quit its not so bad.
but one on one is not cool.
if you make a time limit thats fine.
then you should play more the next day.
Unique story on quitting (long read)
I have a story from about 12 years ago that may spark some interesting debate regarding quitting while winning.
First I need to set the scene - there was this pool hall/bar (20 7' valleys) that was free pool (profits were made from alcohol sales, free pool brought in lots of customers). Let?s call the place ?Jack?s? for reference. Unfortunately it was 50 minute drive from my house, but I justified the trip if I spent a long time playing/practicing, as a result most of my weekends were spent here and I became a "regular" and knew all the employees quite well as well as most of the other "regulars".
One Saturday I got there around noon and there were maybe a dozen people in the place. I did my typical order beer and food before I played, when the bartender told me I needed to play this guy wanting to gamble. I didn't know the guy and was uneasy because I hadn?t practiced in a while and only brought the amount of money I would spend during a 12 hour visit to the bar.
Long story short, the guy wanted to play 9-ball $5/game, winner break, and no spot. The bartender told me it would be easy so I dove in with my $30 dollars and told my opponent that was my limit. He nodded his head and off we went. After I beat the guy out of $40 he goes to get change for $100 and wants to jack the bet to $10 a game. I hope I am not getting hustled but I felt he was chasing instead of hustling. About an hour later I have all of the c-note and the guy walks off. By now it is only around 3pm and now I have gotten some good practice and have a bit of a stake ($160, spent some on beer during the match) for some cheaper sets.
Most of the day there isn?t much going on so I practice, talk with others at the bar, and am just waiting for someone my speed to show up so we can practice. My friend, we will call Tony, shows up hoping for action (he was a bit better than I) and I tell him its dead so we head across town to see if there is anything going on elsewhere ? all we could find was some supper, since it was going on 8pm. So we head back to ?Jack?s? and the owner?s brother whom I will call ?Mike?, who also bartends there asks me as soon as I walk in, ?Did you just say you will give me the 8 and breaks?? Usually I play Mike even and win 2/3 sets (Race to 5/$20) and we had done it a few times so I told him, ?Pick one and we can do our usual.?
Mike chose the breaks and I beat him 5-2, he wants change the game immediately from 5/$20 to 7/$50. I am on house money, so to speak, so I agree. I beat him 7-4. He wants to double the bet to 7/$100. I beat him 3 sets (7-5, 7-4, 7-3), but by now it is 4am, and I have been up since 10 am and know I have almost an hour drive back home. I love the game, but am praying he quits after this 5th set. I have seen Mike get down $400+ and since he can lock the doors and keep playing all night, wear out his opponent until they get even. It was pretty much common practice to never quit while ahead ? especially with relatives of the owner!
Needless to say he doesn?t quit and takes 15 minutes to go to the bathroom and put his ?comeback? music on in the jukebox. I then proceed to get out in front 6-0. its 5am, and I am worn out so I ask him, how much longer do you plan on playing. He refuses to answer so I tell him, ?I am 1 game from having you stuck $450 (he paid for the $20 already), but I don?t care about money I want to sleep and it will take me an hour to get home. I will give you this set to quit and settle at $250.? He nods his head and agrees to end the session.
The funny thing was Tony had watched the whole thing and came up and told me why did you give him that offer when if you win one more game you could have stayed at a nice hotel and still been ahead another hundred. Of course I was pretty happy being about a $400 winner on the day when I had planned to just spend 40 bucks and having a good time.
I responded telling him, there will be future chances and I won't have to stay in a hotel to get it!
Steve
I have a story from about 12 years ago that may spark some interesting debate regarding quitting while winning.
First I need to set the scene - there was this pool hall/bar (20 7' valleys) that was free pool (profits were made from alcohol sales, free pool brought in lots of customers). Let?s call the place ?Jack?s? for reference. Unfortunately it was 50 minute drive from my house, but I justified the trip if I spent a long time playing/practicing, as a result most of my weekends were spent here and I became a "regular" and knew all the employees quite well as well as most of the other "regulars".
One Saturday I got there around noon and there were maybe a dozen people in the place. I did my typical order beer and food before I played, when the bartender told me I needed to play this guy wanting to gamble. I didn't know the guy and was uneasy because I hadn?t practiced in a while and only brought the amount of money I would spend during a 12 hour visit to the bar.
Long story short, the guy wanted to play 9-ball $5/game, winner break, and no spot. The bartender told me it would be easy so I dove in with my $30 dollars and told my opponent that was my limit. He nodded his head and off we went. After I beat the guy out of $40 he goes to get change for $100 and wants to jack the bet to $10 a game. I hope I am not getting hustled but I felt he was chasing instead of hustling. About an hour later I have all of the c-note and the guy walks off. By now it is only around 3pm and now I have gotten some good practice and have a bit of a stake ($160, spent some on beer during the match) for some cheaper sets.
Most of the day there isn?t much going on so I practice, talk with others at the bar, and am just waiting for someone my speed to show up so we can practice. My friend, we will call Tony, shows up hoping for action (he was a bit better than I) and I tell him its dead so we head across town to see if there is anything going on elsewhere ? all we could find was some supper, since it was going on 8pm. So we head back to ?Jack?s? and the owner?s brother whom I will call ?Mike?, who also bartends there asks me as soon as I walk in, ?Did you just say you will give me the 8 and breaks?? Usually I play Mike even and win 2/3 sets (Race to 5/$20) and we had done it a few times so I told him, ?Pick one and we can do our usual.?
Mike chose the breaks and I beat him 5-2, he wants change the game immediately from 5/$20 to 7/$50. I am on house money, so to speak, so I agree. I beat him 7-4. He wants to double the bet to 7/$100. I beat him 3 sets (7-5, 7-4, 7-3), but by now it is 4am, and I have been up since 10 am and know I have almost an hour drive back home. I love the game, but am praying he quits after this 5th set. I have seen Mike get down $400+ and since he can lock the doors and keep playing all night, wear out his opponent until they get even. It was pretty much common practice to never quit while ahead ? especially with relatives of the owner!
Needless to say he doesn?t quit and takes 15 minutes to go to the bathroom and put his ?comeback? music on in the jukebox. I then proceed to get out in front 6-0. its 5am, and I am worn out so I ask him, how much longer do you plan on playing. He refuses to answer so I tell him, ?I am 1 game from having you stuck $450 (he paid for the $20 already), but I don?t care about money I want to sleep and it will take me an hour to get home. I will give you this set to quit and settle at $250.? He nods his head and agrees to end the session.
The funny thing was Tony had watched the whole thing and came up and told me why did you give him that offer when if you win one more game you could have stayed at a nice hotel and still been ahead another hundred. Of course I was pretty happy being about a $400 winner on the day when I had planned to just spend 40 bucks and having a good time.
I responded telling him, there will be future chances and I won't have to stay in a hotel to get it!
Steve
If these statements are true, I've no problem with the shortstop quitting after the one set. The guy who lost planned on quitting after one set had he won. Yes, you can always ask to continue playing but given the above parameters if the guy says no then there should be no whining.
Quitting winner
There is a well heeled businessman in my area (30 miles away) who loves to play pool and plays very good but not good enough to beat any good shortstops or pros and has routinely lost 5 figures. Jack Cooney can attest to this. At the room where I play a couple of road players stopped in and inquired about him and said they planned to set him up for a big score. Unknown to them his brother in law was in the room also and overheard their talk and called to make his brother in law aware of the setup. Their strategy was to let him win the first set and then raise the bet, as per usual. A few days later they were back upset and talking about what a nit the guy was and said he had no gamble, and called him a lot less than honorable names. Almost all of their money was gone. They had made an offer to play for $5K but the informed mark said he didn't play that low and raised it to $10K. According to their plan he won the set but unexpectidly he quit. What do you think about that? Was he a nit? Should he have continued to play and lose a lot of money to them or give them their money back?
There is a well heeled businessman in my area (30 miles away) who loves to play pool and plays very good but not good enough to beat any good shortstops or pros and has routinely lost 5 figures. Jack Cooney can attest to this. At the room where I play a couple of road players stopped in and inquired about him and said they planned to set him up for a big score. Unknown to them his brother in law was in the room also and overheard their talk and called to make his brother in law aware of the setup. Their strategy was to let him win the first set and then raise the bet, as per usual. A few days later they were back upset and talking about what a nit the guy was and said he had no gamble, and called him a lot less than honorable names. Almost all of their money was gone. They had made an offer to play for $5K but the informed mark said he didn't play that low and raised it to $10K. According to their plan he won the set but unexpectidly he quit. What do you think about that? Was he a nit? Should he have continued to play and lose a lot of money to them or give them their money back?
what I think
I think it is time to laugh and chalk one up on the wall for the local guy! 10K is a nice score to have gift wrapped and handed to you.
Hu
I think it is time to laugh and chalk one up on the wall for the local guy! 10K is a nice score to have gift wrapped and handed to you.
Hu
Doug said:
I see you are in TN...and since there was a good size tourney in Chattanooga, then Music City, before the DCC, and one in Chattanooga again after the DCC...I'm sure there were a buncha road players passing thru. I know a couple of guys that were out thata way, and GA. Hmmm, I'll hafta ask 'em I guess.
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Doug said:
OK, let me read this back to you just to make sure I understand......they had the nuts, knew they had the nuts, and decided to lose the first game so they could rob him of a big score because they knew they were better.....and he got wind of it, won the first game, and pulled up because he knew they were trying to take advantage of him.....and they have the stones to call him names and get mad....LOL.....they were outmoved and outhustled, the businessman isn't a nit, just smart
