R.I.P. JimBo

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Mike,

Your oldest posters, many of whom remained uncontroversial, above-the-fray for years are now trying to tell you that something is horribly wrong with how AZB is being managed. I hope you listen, since this is, after all, your baby.

-Roger
 
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I have been a member here for a while but just because i dont post here often doesnt mean i dont "lurk around " and read the posts ....
I think this place is getting pretty silly the way we are "banning" people back when i first became a member this never happened and things where just fine, in other words people coming to an open forum should have realize that youre gonna have differing opinions and of course "flames" so be able to handle it or dont contribute............... IMO :)
Jimbo i liked reading youre posts because you always "tells it the way it is" and thats pretty much the only way to tell it to anyone !!!!!!!!!!!!:)
 
buddha162 said:
Mike,

Your oldest posters, many of whom remained uncontroversial, above-the-fray for years are now trying to tell you that something is horribly wrong with how AZB is being managed. I hope you listen, since this is, after all, your baby.

-Roger
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I told him this a couple of months ago and was told that he thinks Dave does a fine job and has the site's best interest at heart. He said that there are times that he doesn't agree with something and he'll call Dave and talk about it. At least he extends Dave a courtesy that Dave doesn't extend to most.... speaking about an issue privately.
 
VIProfessor, I can appreciate you being tired of this but please realize that it goes both ways. There are many people here that feel the same way about Wilson. People have spoken about this to Mike both publicly and privately... Wilson continues to do the things that have people so disenchanted with the way he moderates. What you're seeing is basically the forum members saying "Tom" about Wilson.
 
bstroud said:
I don't know who AKA Mr. Wilson is and I have no idea who Christy? is but I know Jimbo.

I am a cuemaker and he does not buy my cues BUT he is always straight forward and honest in the things he says.

I don't always agree with him but I value his opinion and I support his right to say what he thinks.

The internet is one of the last vestiges of freedom in this world and without voices like JIMBOS' we all suffer a great loss.

Bill Stroud
Josswest
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Uhhh..... not that the opinions of all others don't matter, but I believe when Mr. Bill Stroud says that JimBo is a knowledgeable individual, perhaps we need to re-evaluate.
 
AzHousePro said:
I thought it was a fairly simple message. Stop taking shots at other users. If you have an issue with them, then don't try to hijack every thread to take another shot at them.

Guess that was too difficult for some users to understand. It takes a bit of pushing for me to ban someone (especially a second banning) but it does happen if you push hard enough.

For the record, there have been two users that I banned and didn't feel bad about it afterward. One was Larry and the other was the green guy. Everyone else (DM, Rude Dog, Shorty, Marissa) has been a last resort sort of thing.

Mike
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I think the message is fairly simple. But I think the issue here is that some people can be abusive in their tone or their words without name calling, and when this happens, it can prompt a response from others.

Now you have two parties, neither of them any more innocent than the other but because one used a word that you or Dave found offensive (which wouldn't even be treated with punishment on most grade school playgrounds), we have suffered the loss of our friend and valuable contributor. That's what the issue is.

Calling someone an idiot is hardly a crime to sentence someone to death for. Meanwhile, other individuals on this forum who shall remain namelss (though everyone knows who I am talking about) threaten physical violence and bodily harm when you disagree with them. Others resort to racial slurs. But saying "idiot" is too offensive? Perhaps the problem is that the rules need to change a little.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Uhhh..... not that the opinions of all others don't matter, but I believe when Mr. Bill Stroud says that JimBo is a knowledgeable individual, perhaps we need to re-evaluate.
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It was evaluated.... Mr. Stroud was directed to usenet if he didn't like the way things here are handled.

Mr. Wilson said:
There is always usenet for people who want that freedom.

With a board like this, which is private property, there is a limit to "freedom of speech".

There are a set of written rules that people agree to in order to post on the forum.

If they don't wish to follow the rules, despite numerous warnings, who is at fault?
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Brian, the posters you are talking about were warned and there were no punches pulled.

Again, this would be an example of the private, behind the scenes action that people cannot have knowledge of in this argument.

On the other hand, I'm also damned if I warn them in public.
( Inquiring minds want to know )

People are pissed if I don't shut a thread right away, other's that it was too early. ( they weren't invited to the dogpile )
Some complain that their name is being dragged through the mud and demand that the thread is removed from sight, other's....well now they can't see what all the fuss was about.

It never ends.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Uhhh..... not that the opinions of all others don't matter, but I believe when Mr. Bill Stroud says that JimBo is a knowledgeable individual, perhaps we need to re-evaluate.
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just because you know allot about something doesn't mean you can act any way you wish without scrutiny from the ones who run this site. even though i've had issue with jim's conduct at times, he's still ok by me. i have a good idea of his direction within these forums and that being said, i believe there is a better way to get his point across sometimes. i think this is what the moderators are trying to tell him with they're action. i look forward to jim's return, the spreading of "his" truth, though it might not be absorbed by some, and especially the purple color font. if i see jimbo has posted, i immediately think purple, right jimbo. ;) :)
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Brian, the posters you are talking about were warned and there were no punches pulled.

Again, this would be an example of the private, behind the scenes action that people cannot have knowledge of in this argument.

On the other hand, I'm also damned if I warn them in public.
( Inquiring minds want to know )

People are pissed if I don't shut a thread right away, other's that it was too early. ( they weren't invited to the dogpile )
Some complain that their name is being dragged through the mud and demand that the thread is removed from sight, other's....well now they can't see what all the fuss was about.

It never ends.
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Dave- I understand full well what you are saying but, with all due respect, I think you are missing something here. If one person objects to the word 'idiot' (or even ten people), wouldn't they be considered the minority to the dozens of other people who have posted here saying that they disagree with the decision to ban JimBo?

I understand that some people may take issue with comments here and there but in this case, I think the "offensive" remarks in question weren't all that harsh. I also think that in a situation like this when dozen of people who are longtime, respected members of this forum voice their objection to the ruling, their voices should weigh in a little more heavily than the few who agree with the ruling. I mean, in the past three to four days alone, we've had a good 15-20 pages of posts supporting JimBo and singing his praises AND objecting to the decision to ban him. Maybe all those people aren't wrong.
 
skins said:
just because you know allot about something doesn't mean you can act any way you wish without scrutiny from the ones who run this site. even though i've had issue with jim's conduct at times, he's still ok by me. i have a good idea of his direction within these forums and that being said, i believe there is a better way to get his point across sometimes. i think this is what the moderators are trying to tell him with they're action.
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Nobody is saying that a person's knowledge should give them the right to run rampant on a forum and say whatever they want. The point that I'm trying to make is that some people object to the most petty and ridiculous things. JimBo can be an abrassive individual at times. So can I. And Fred hit the nail right on the head. There is no Jeckyl and Hyde with JimBo, nor is there with myself. He will tell you what he feels when he feels it right to your face. But if we were all at the Hopkins show in March and JimBo called someone an idiot, would Hopkins come down and kick him out? I don't think so. Had the penalty been more severe, I could understand the punishment. But when the offense is petty and ridiculous, the punishment should be so severe.

As for believing there is a better way to get his point across, that may be so. But think about. That is who Jim is. If you want try and make him act any other way, that would be creating a Jeckyl and Hyde - in which case you would need a disclaimer on the site that only certain personality types would be accepted here.
 
pharaoh68 said:
I mean, in the past three to four days alone, we've had a good 15-20 pages of posts supporting JimBo and singing his praises AND objecting to the decision to ban him. Maybe all those people aren't wrong.
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for some, it could also mean that some don't like the idea of authority over them and they're kind of revolting against the "establishment" so to speak. the reaction can be like a snow avalanche. once started more snow "joins" in and it gets harder and harder to stop. it could be their way of fighting the status quo. whatever the case, unfortunately the rules of our land don't pertain to this privately run public forum. right or wrong what's done is done. there has been enough opinion expressed for the purveyors of this site to re-evaluate for the future. i think it's time to let it play out see what happens. i would say that i think that whatever the decisions for the future, they should be made well understood for all members, with no grey area, so this type thing can be avoided and we can get back to what this forum was meant to supply to it's members. that, though thought by some as unfortunate, is decided by the "purveyors".
 
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