Racking 9ball??(cheating or not)

AcuraHeel

AcuraHeel

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I'm behind the curve in the 9ball racking it seems. I've heard it more and more lately about people who rack their own(tournaments) are getting pretty good at setting it up so certain balls fall on the break.It seems that you keep some of the rack loose and it works very well. I've talked to a few A and AA players who say it's more common than not.

I'm curious if you guys think it's cheating or an aspect to the game?:confused:
 
My opinion is ---> play 10 ball

If you don't know how to give yourself a good rack it will be hard to win 9 ball tournaments.

9 ball rack your own should fade away.

Dudley
 
Dudley... That's the opinion of most.. Play 10 ball and definitely no racking for yourself...:D

and yes... I believe it has lots to do with the positioning and gap between certain balls
 
Just opinion, it always luck either 9ball or 10ball even 8 ball.
But when we watch pros' playing then there is no space for cheat or less and less luck.
sam
 
Go get a copy of Joe Tucker's Racking Secrets. Then follow up by taking a lesson from a local pro on break stance, stroke, breaking from the A B C spot. Though, that might be covered in the DVD. Then google Corey Deuel and soft break.
 
After watching Donny Mills playing Shane in the 9 ball race I really started to understand the break more. I played around for a while with my own break and am getting pretty good with the rack. I developed a pattern I'm comfortable with allowing the 1-4 to end up near the head of the table. After that it's about control of the cueball and it makes the run out 10 times easier.

I think it is kind of cheating in a way to manipulate the rack to make the game easier, but if your opponent knows how to do it you better know how to as well or you're dead. Anything your opponent knows that you don't will cost you games or possibly even the match.

Like was mentioned before, if you don't like it, play 10 ball. I have started playing that in 9 ball the 9 doesn't count on the break. It stops guys from making the balls loose to float the nine in, but with a pattern rack it doesn't matter anyway.
 
9 ball is so done.If you have to play 9 ball rack your own is to me a very bad idea.If you have to play rack your own the order that the balls are placed in should not be decided by the racker/breaker and the 9 on the break should not count in any pocket.

Just my opinion.9 ball is an excellent practice game though.
 
AcuraHeel said:
I'm behind the curve in the 9ball racking it seems. I've heard it more and more lately about people who rack their own(tournaments) are getting pretty good at setting it up so certain balls fall on the break.It seems that you keep some of the rack loose and it works very well. I've talked to a few A and AA players who say it's more common than not.

I'm curious if you guys think it's cheating or an aspect to the game?:confused:
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First off, if the 9 Ball rack is perfect, such as with the Slug Doctor or Magic Rack, the wing ball can be made to go just about every time. There is no issue with this, it's just the way it is. As far as racking the balls loose or with gaps in order to make balls on the break, yes that is cheating.

Likewise, pattern racking is also expressly prohibited by the rules (WPA, BCA, and BCAPL) and therefore is also cheating.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
First off, if the 9 Ball rack is perfect, such as with the Slug Doctor or Magic Rack, the wing ball can be made to go just about every time. There is no issue with this, it's just the way it is. As far as racking the balls loose or with gaps in order to make balls on the break, yes that is cheating.

Likewise, pattern racking is also expressly prohibited by the rules (WPA, BCA, and BCAPL) and therefore is also cheating.
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Also, on a proper 9-Ball rack, the 9 shouldn't move at all. A proper rack should allow the breaker to make either the wing ball in the corner or the 1 ball in the side, depending on how the breaker wants to play the rack. I prefer the wing ball and letting the 1 ball drift up table.

Don't forget, this is a tv game designed to keep general audiences entertained. The general public is never going to watch a 1 pocket tourney.
 
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