Rail question
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People are changing to a different profile of cushions for older tables in which the profile of their cushions are no longer made. People will change cushions to a better brand. Ifthe correct profile is still made for your table there is no reason to change.
Simple explanation. They are different sized cushions. Different brands of tables like to use a different profe of cushion because they make their sub rails at a different angle. Chevy and ford use a 5 lug nut pattern for their cars but their patterns are different and are not interchangeable. New and better brand cushions are what you want not a different profile.
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someone else can chime in but you dont need a different profile of cushion.
Im not arguing with you Im not about to do all that work for the table to play the same I was just wondering what was involved in it if that made my table better thats all. Thanks for your input I know nothing about the make up of the table so Im trying to figure this stuff out
no problems here. a more knowledgeable person will chime in and help set you up with what you want.
also listing the table or posting pics so people know what you have will help solve part of your problem. :thumbup:
You should consider upgrading to an Artemis K66 profile cushion. Your rails may need some modification to be able to accept the cushion at the right height and angle to play at its best. Yes, you're looking at a lot of work, and something you'll need to hire someone with the proper training to do.
I think what the other guys responding are getting at is "If it ain't broke don't fix it.". I can't argue with that, but it you want to try to improve the play of your table, there are options, but I would agree that you should look at a better quality, better playing rubber, not changing the rubber profile altogether.
I agree,Palason use low quality components to compete with Canada Billiards,also Josh there are probly not any one qualified in that area.
Yeah I dont think Im going to change the profile but will upgrade to better quality and I dont think there is anyone in this section of the world that would have a clue about modifying rails so I would have to do it myself not that it scares me, It doesnt sound like the reward is worth the work
at some point you need to consider is the table worth the investment. You can put Porsche wheels on VW, doesn't make it a Porsche
Rails can be removed and shipped out to many top table teks,in the time it takes to get them back you can level and strech the simoniss.
What Donnie is getting at is there are other aspects of the table that make it play good.
Starting from the ground up, if your frame is not solid, you may get some movement. I've seen tables that if you lean against them, they feel like they will fall over. A weak frame can also sag under the weight of the slate and come out of level.
If the hardware used to mount the slate is not solid and tight, your slate may not stay level and flush across the seams.
If your hardware used to mount the rails is cheap or not solid, your rails won't be able to be tightened down as much as they should. If you have a loose rail, I don't care what kind of rubber you put on it, it will play dead.
You may know that your VW can't be made into a Porsche, but you're asking to make it RUN like a Porsche.
Please don't take offense to this, but if you're asking about changing to a K55 profile rubber, I have to assume that you're not going to have the knowledge/tools to properly modify the rails for Artemis. If you want the table to play right, you really should hire a qualified mechanic. I don't know where you're located, but you're looking at a pretty good expense to have that done. If your current table is not a good starting point, your money/time may be better invested into something better to start with. Rails can always be modified, but you need a good base/slate for the table to play good too.
Just something to think about.
Starting from the ground up, if your frame is not solid, you may get some movement. I've seen tables that if you lean against them, they feel like they will fall over. A weak frame can also sag under the weight of the slate and come out of level.
If the hardware used to mount the slate is not solid and tight, your slate may not stay level and flush across the seams.
If your hardware used to mount the rails is cheap or not solid, your rails won't be able to be tightened down as much as they should. If you have a loose rail, I don't care what kind of rubber you put on it, it will play dead.
You may know that your VW can't be made into a Porsche, but you're asking to make it RUN like a Porsche.
Please don't take offense to this, but if you're asking about changing to a K55 profile rubber, I have to assume that you're not going to have the knowledge/tools to properly modify the rails for Artemis. If you want the table to play right, you really should hire a qualified mechanic. I don't know where you're located, but you're looking at a pretty good expense to have that done. If your current table is not a good starting point, your money/time may be better invested into something better to start with. Rails can always be modified, but you need a good base/slate for the table to play good too.
Just something to think about.
I would also suggest measuring your current cushion height. If it is not 1 7/16" then you may already have the wrong profile on the table ....
i however agree with all the previous comments ...and have confirmed with RKC that if the rails are engineered properly and given the same quality of rubber the K55 and k66 rails could play the same. But he makes the decision based on the rail thickness and probably other factors....
I think what everyone is saying is that these artemis cushions are going to cost a lot of money ...and having the properly installed will cost some money ....and then you've spent the money to buy a used gold crown or similar quality table....
My rails measure 1 7/16" to the nose of the cushion. I agree that a GC or Diamomd would be great to have but I live in East coast Canada there is one GC that I know of in my province and its a 6 x 12 in my local pool hall, there isnt many tables for sale around here and the ones that are, are mostly Palason. I got my table from the local pool hall when they renovated the room they got rid of the one 8 footer and thats the biggest table I can fit in my house so I want to install new rails on it and new felt. so I would like to install the best rails I can and that appears to be Artemis now wouldnt I just need to get the correct style either K66 or K55 whichever my table has now Is that right?