rare high end Varney

[BarenbruggeCues]

I'd say.......Pretty darn good! A day later after it has sold and we're still talking about a Kevin Varney cue.

Somebody once said.......*There is no such thing as bad advertising*!!

 

[Bishop]

Well, this is essentially what Kevin did, until page 3 where he made this statement:



IMO, this claim---that this is actually a deal, because the cue plays that good---opens up this thread for discussion. Roscoe and Pharoah both chimed in on that specific point, ie arguing that "hit" is not the end-all defining aspect for a cue's value, and everything else followed suite. Until this point in the thread, there was nothing but praise for Kevin's cue. None of us who thought the price was too high said a word.

I've never been one to harp on someone's sale item, so the label "price police" really doesn't apply. If you read the progression of posts carefully, I think it would be apparent that the vitriol was initiated by Kevin and his defenders, not by the people who voiced an opinion about that particular cue's value.

-Roger

This is exactly were you are wrong. No matter what the seller says in this thread...this forum isn't up for discussion. Specifically yourself and the two mentioned are the ones I'm talking about. This little group of opinionated jerkoffs should keep to themselves in a forum like this, you want to discuss something about cue value you should do in another area of the website.

If it seems like I'm attacking you I am. I can't stand people like you. How would you feel if you were going for a job interview and I decided to call and talk down your strong points and basically state you aren't worth your asking price, not because I want your job but because I'm a A-Hole and felt like adding my .02.

 

[runscott]

...I'm a A-Hole and felt like adding my .02.

I would agree with the above. The name-calling and veiled threats have been a real turn-off in this thread.

 

[NYC cue dude]

This is exactly were you are wrong. No matter what the seller says in this thread...this forum isn't up for discussion. Specifically yourself and the two mentioned are the ones I'm talking about. This little group of opinionated jerkoffs should keep to themselves in a forum like this, you want to discuss something about cue value you should do in another area of the website.

If it seems like I'm attacking you I am. I can't stand people like you. How would you feel if you were going for a job interview and I decided to call and talk down your strong points and basically state you aren't worth your asking price, not because I want your job but because I'm a A-Hole and felt like adding my .02.

TAP TAP TAP

 

[bnall]

I would agree with the above. The name-calling and veiled threats have been a real turn-off in this thread.

Ya. Its easy to type crap behind a monitor and a keyboard. Its really hard to say the same thing to someones face. I cant believe Wilson didnt put a stop to all this BS.

 

[ridewiththewind]

this thread and the cue value thread in the main forum would serve a better purpose in a "Cue Talk" section. Where an open discussion on cue prices wouldn't be a distraction from a cue sale. Just an idea..

JV

This is precisely one of the reasons that JoeVan, and I agree with him, has been calling for a separate 'Cue Talk' section. The issues brought up here could have actually been addressed there, without direct impact on this FS thread. Such a section would allow for intelligent conversation on such topics, and should a lively debate take place there, it impacts no one listing cues here. It then remains a 'Wanted/For Sale' section of AZB.

Lisa

Again.....I agree. Topics such as relative cue values/market values/workmanship/collectability could all be covered in in such a section. It would/should alleviate the extraneous discussions that find their way into these 'Wanted/For Sale' threads.

Lisa

 

[Hustl3r]

Congrat's to whomever the new owner may be, very nice cue.

 

[Cornerman]

In case anyone forgot what the thread was originally about.

Although I think the "high end" term may have been a luring scheme, it's pretty obvious you had no intention of fooling people. Your pictures show exactly what you're selling. I think most people thought you only sold SP's, so in the end, your description "high end Varney" is fine, albeit over-the-top. But, that's not new for you. Let's face it Kevin, you're an aggressive person. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

For all of the people who are knocking the price, this is a for sale section. The price will reveal itself. If someone is willing to pay $1000, then that's the value. If not, then something else is. What has happened is that all the knocking has probably helped to sell this cue just by the extra bandwidth. That's not new either. Think WilleeCue.

For all those that say they would buy it, please... either you'd buy it or you won't. Patronizing is probably worse than the knockers, IMO. Sure you might like it, but for all the people that say they'd buy it, that doesn't make much statistical sense. How many people would buy any cue let alone this cue?

The cue in question looks good, by the photos. I agree that the bacote normally doesn't lend to a good looking cue, but you've blended the woods very nicely. Do you make your own blanks? Not that it really matters, but I might as well ask.

I'm not going to patronize you. I wouldn't buy it. It's not my cup of tea, nor am I in any cue buying mode. Besides, it looks like someone else is already going to take it. And if so, then we know what the value is.

Good luck.

Fred

 

[BrooklynJay]

People should stop treating cues as an investment. People are buying cues like it's a stock, hoping that they're buying low and will be able to sell high at some later date. This is why there's all this talk about value and a cue's value on the secondary market.

It's a cue.
If you want to invest buy stocks.
It's safer and chances are you'll get a better return.

 

[bogey54311]

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[Bishop]

I'm not hiding behind a monitor if you come into a sales thread and hijack it and start a discussion of said cues value, you're not a real good person.....a jerk plain and simple, no better than a school yard bully. I've recieved somewhere near 40 PMs in support of my opinion, I'm not the only one that feels this way but one of the few that will speak up.

You know almost all BST forums strictly prohibit any type of questionable or negative discussion. There is just no place for any discussion over cue worth or value in a sale forum. If Varney wants to say his cue is the best ever and offer it up for 500k thats his business and none of you have any right to come into his sale thread and open up his pricing or its worth for discussion. If the buyer isn't happy he can take that up with Varney.

I like it here I think its a real nice forum with a great diverse group but some people for whatever the reason think they have a right to come in and judge or add an opinion where it doesn't belong. This can't be argued a few people came in and hijacked a thread and it blew up even after Varney asked for you guys to back off and even PM'd the mod about it. Whats wrong with you people to sit here and say you took the high road and you have a right to have done what has transpired here when you clearly are in the wrong. You had no right in this thread to begin with and should be apologizing to all of us that have seen this and probably apologize for all the other times you've cost someone their extra gas money.

I guess I apologize for name calling as its typically pretty childish but dammit this price patroling has cost more people money than I can even count. Money that could have been for their kids cloths, a car payment, old bill, doctor bill. Who knows. I consider it stealing food right off someones table.


and BTW I have no idea what "tap tap tap" means lol

 

[skins]

People should stop treating cues as an investment. People are buying cues like it's a stock, hoping that they're buying low and will be able to sell high at some later date. This is why there's all this talk about value and a cue's value on the secondary market.

It's a cue.
If you want to invest buy stocks.
It's safer and chances are you'll get a better return.

i guess i should throw away my Charles Vickery paintings then. the point is all art has the potential for bringing future profit just as do commodities and stocks. the buyers of cues are potential investors of sorts. you need to ask yourself, do you want to just play with them or with that, be savvy enough to do the research necessary and put yourself "within" the community of the collectors of them to understand which ones might have a greater chance of having a future windfall? either way it's fine it's all personal preference imo. i like to do both.

 

[rackem]

Tap Tap TAp Something they did with the butt of the cue on the floor when someone made a good shot back in the day.
Tap Tap Tap to you my friend

 

[Koop]

..........

 

[BrooklynJay]

i guess i should throw away my Charles Vickery paintings then. the point is all art has the potential for bringing future profit just as do commodities and stocks. the buyers of cues are potential investors of sorts. you need to ask yourself, do you want to just play with them or with that, be savvy enough to do the research necessary and put yourself "within" the community of the collectors of them to understand which ones might have a greater chance of having a future windfall? either way it's fine it's all personal preference imo. i like to do both.

...potential for bringing future profit.... One never knows right? Varney may well be the next big name cuemaker and $1000 might be a steal.

This is why "value" and all the talk about it is pointless and if you're buying the cue solely for investment purpose you're better off playing the market as cue speculating probably isn't the most profitable way to go about it.

The purpose of a cue is to be played and the cuemaker's job is to make a decent hitting cue. Period. The fact that people might want to pay more for it to avoid an 8 year wait...that's something else entirely.

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

and BTW I have no idea what "tap tap tap" means lol

In forum talk.........I viewed it as..
Tap= I
Tap= also
Tap= agree

But of course this is just my minute opinion.........

I been told some places also clap three times for the same type of response.

But that would kind of be a mute point here!!

 

[Koop]

I been told some places also clap three times for the same type of response.

You're confusing golf with pool

 

[ribdoner]

You're confusing golf with pool

Is that why I can't play either?

In which game is being "scratch handicapped" a good thing

 

[rackem]

Tap Tap TAp Something they did with the butt of the cue on the floor when someone made a good shot back in the day.
Tap Tap Tap to you my friend

It's why they had to start putting bumpers on cues. Ask Tate about all the early Palmers with broken Butt caps. or replaced

 

[skins]

...potential for bringing future profit.... One never knows right? Varney may well be the next big name cuemaker and $1000 might be a steal. maybe but to have a better "crystal Ball". you have to know what his production numbers are, his type of cue work, construction methods, attention to detail, ability to execute, design work and a myriad others to have a good idea. that's what i mean by educating yourself. you have to "learn" what the differences in cues are and be able to notice them. it's the same with cars, watches, boats ect......

This is why "value" and all the talk about it is pointless and if you're buying the cue solely for investment purpose you're better off playing the market as cue speculating probably isn't the most profitable way to go about it. asked and answered

The purpose of a cue is to be played and the cuemaker's job is to make a decent hitting cue. Period. The fact that people might want to pay more for it to avoid an 8 year wait...that's something else entirely.

your right on the last part except for, imo, "Period" . what it is - is they don't want to wait 8 years that's all and thats fine. cues are meant to be played with and cars driven and watches worn and so on but to blindly disregard the fact that some of them are collectible and act with some of them accordingly is imho bad sense period.