Rasson table for World Championships........................

[maha]

it is mostly what you get used to that you like and think should be the standard.
i am a brunswick older table man.

most important with any table is that it plays perfectly to the diamonds. if it doesnt its designed or setup wrong.
and that should not change with the wear of the cloth to any extent.

 

[smiling_Hans]

Tables don’t play any better than one another and people have mentioned it’s based on how they are setup. Some tables may sit a bit higher than others. The only thing I notice about a Diamond table is the height. I’m already use to it now since many pool halls seem to use them. Diamonds are like the default table.

 

[TrxR]

My one concern with metal or aluminum frames are the vibrations from play allowing the bolts to loosen . Wood will absorb vibration a bit better than metal, but a bit of loctite should cure that.

 

[Nyquil]

I think for the TV table nothing finer than a paragon. Beautiful table. I wouldn't mind seeing some professionals in the mix either. The pro am is a damn tank though that much is for certain.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

My one concern with metal or aluminum frames are the vibrations from play allowing the bolts to loosen .

That would NEVER happen

 

[TrxR]

That would NEVER happen

why not. I've read that you should occasionally check rail bolts. So if they can loosen there is no reason frame bolts could loosen. As I said wood will absorb vibration better than metal.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

why not. I've read that you should occasionally check rail bolts. So if they can loosen there is no reason frame bolts could loosen. As I said wood will absorb vibration better than metal.

Why not? You’ve never turned a wrench I see

 

[Texas Carom Club]

If you think tapping balls on top of cloth and slate will loosen bolts in a metal frame you’ve never turned a wrench in your life

 

[TrxR]

If you think tapping balls on top of cloth and slate will loosen bolts in a metal frame you’ve never turned a wrench in your life

I've definitely turned a few wrenches in my life. Grew up around dirtbike, atvs and trucks. been around more mechanics and racers than i can count. Now tell me why rail bolts need to be checked. I didn't say it was going to happen , but it could be a possibility. glenn talked about kim steele tables loosening up after use.

If the proper washers or loctite is used it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[jtompilot]

A Gold Crown would solve the problem

Especially if you need wood for a fire to stay warm

 

[jtompilot]

Here’s the difference for me. GC1-3 we’re good tables for their time but didn’t see any real improvement. GC4 improved the pockets and the table plays very close to a Blue label Diamond. All the did with the 5&6 is make them ugly.

Diamond built a tank of a table but they knew they F-up the rails. The Blue label fixed the rails and their leveling system actually works. Are they perfect, no, but they sure play great.

I’m happy with a GC4 or Blue label. Rasson probably needs another 30 years before they fix their problems.

 

[garczar]

Here’s the difference for me. GC1-3 we’re good tables for their time but didn’t see any real improvement. GC4 improved the pockets and the table plays very close to a Blue label Diamond. All the did with the 5&6 is make them ugly.

Diamond built a tank of a table but they knew they F-up the rails. The Blue label fixed the rails and their leveling system actually works. Are they perfect, no, but they sure play great.

I’m happy with a GC4 or Blue label. Rasson probably needs another 30 years before they fix their problems.

AFAIK the only changes from the 3 to the 4 were flush pockets, multi point leveling system(not used by a lot of mechs) and no more score wheels. The shitty cushions of the early 3's was fixed and carried into the 4's. Later 4's got better frames but that didn't change how they played. I've never heard anyone say a 4 played like a Diamond. To me a good blue D'mond is still faster but doesn't bank short like the old reds.

 

[garczar]

Here’s the difference for me. GC1-3 we’re good tables for their time but didn’t see any real improvement. GC4 improved the pockets and the table plays very close to a Blue label Diamond. All the did with the 5&6 is make them ugly.

Diamond built a tank of a table but they knew they F-up the rails. The Blue label fixed the rails and their leveling system actually works. Are they perfect, no, but they sure play great.

I’m happy with a GC4 or Blue label. Rasson probably needs another 30 years before they fix their problems.

THIRTY yrs?? I've only played on one( OX model iirc) and it was the demo table in a billiard store. It played great to be honest. Like most any table at least 75% of how it plays is in the set-up.

 

[eddieindetroit]

…What's y'alls thoughts??

The entry level Rasson “MrSung” table is 5K retail?

My advice would be to get a clean used Gold Crown and pay a pro to move it into your home, install new cloth and then have brand new rails installed that are shaped/cut to make the pockets play just as tight or lose as you prefer them.

There are MANY used gold crown tables out there on the market. The buyer could then spend the extra $2500 saved on food and booze or whatever.

 

[TrxR]

THIRTY yrs?? I've only played on one( OX model iirc) and it was the demo table in a billiard store. It played great to be honest. Like most any table at least 75% of how it plays is in the set-up.

Setup tends to be the most important thing in alot of products.

 

[TrxR]

The entry level Rasson “MrSung” table is 5K retail?

My advice would be to get a clean used Gold Crown and pay a pro to move it into your home, install new cloth and then have brand new rails installed that are shaped/cut to make the pockets play just as tight or lose as you prefer them.

There are MANY used gold crown tables out there on the market. The buyer could then spend the extra $2500 saved on food and booze or whatever.

That depends on where you are located. In the US the GC's are quite commonly available. Eastern Canada not so much, if you do find one you will pay dearly.

 

[fastone371]

If you think tapping balls on top of cloth and slate will loosen bolts in a metal frame you’ve never turned a wrench in your life

Vibrations from balls on a pool table can certainly loosen bolts. A machine bolted to a concrete floor can loosen bolts in the machines around it. Vibration can cause a lot of chaos.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

Vibrations from balls on a pool table can certainly loosen bolts. A machine bolted to a concrete floor can loosen bolts in the machines around it. Vibration can cause a lot of chaos.

yes heavy duty vibrations, like in machining


not ball hitting rubber kind

the leveling screws in the steel beams of my soren sogaard never bugged

 

[Poolmanis]

Almost every tables WILL get rail bolts loosened over time. Only Diamond tables have dome flushers that have teeth INTO wood and they will not come loose. Many other tables have same dome flusher model against slate and also steel of those often is not so good and over time they can even fall of totally. I don't know all tables of the world but maybe 50 different models and almost all suffer loose rail bolts due vibration. So please Texas stop fake news when you don't really know as we table mechanics.

 

[TrxR]

Almost every tables WILL get rail bolts loosened over time. Only Diamond tables have dome flushers that have teeth INTO wood and they will not come loose. Many other tables have same dome flusher model against slate and also steel of those often is not so good and over time they can even fall of totally. I don't know all tables of the world but maybe 50 different models and almost all suffer loose rail bolts due vibration. So please Texas stop fake news when you don't really know as we table mechanics.

I think he was referring to me knowing nothing as I thought of the possibility of frame bolt loosening on aluminum and steel framed tables like the Rasson or Predator. Maybe there might not be enough vibration to worry about, but sometimes it don't take much.