If that's truly the cases, they can switch from butcher block oak (I believe they use oak) to non-butcher block poplar (I believe poplar is what the other manufacturer's use). It's a win-win. Lower cost raw material of the wood, lower cost manufacturing process, and a more proper bounce.
Right. Much different. It doesn't only affect bank pool. It affects playing position in 9 ball.More bounce to the ounce on Diamonds. Seriously, there is no question that Diamond rails/cushions play far differently than a GC. They bank much shorter and can be stiffened to make shots that would be impossible on a GC. It's a big change, but a new challenge at the same time. I'm still amazed the banks that can be made on a Diamond that you wouldn't even try on a GC. Not sure about any of these new tables and how they bank. I'd like to know how they compare with GC or Diamond.
A long time? Yapp is only 27.
I do play on them just like everyone else here, and can play decent on them. I don't like them though, and I continue to voice my concerns. Unfortunately for me, all the rooms with GC's in my area closed down but one. And all the new or remaining rooms now have Diamonds. I'm stuck with them.
Gonna play Devil's Advo. again: because B'wicks play they way do and have been made so long who's to say that their way is the correct vs. the established/accepted way? From what D'mond told me they feel that theirs play correct and B'wicks are slower/deader. Valid take on their part? Have you ever asked D'mond direct yourself? If so did they give answer similar to what they told me?
After playing on GC’s my whole life I hated Diamonds once, like many do, because of the differences in the play of their rails, not just how they banked but also the speed of their rails as my initial experiences on them I felt it hard to really let my stroke out.
And he’s been a top level player since his teens.
I first played on a Diamond back when they first came out. Yeah they were a lil faster and banked a tad short but i never thought the diff. was such a big deal. When the Blues came out i played on a brand-new one in OkCity and i thought it played fantastic. Believe me i'm NO champion but i've never felt the adjustment was a deal breaker. Maybe playing so much golf with all its on-the-fly adjusting the diff's in pool tables have never bothered me. I've gambled on everything from shit barboxes to semi-shit Gandy's to GC's/Klings/SportKings to Diamond's. Adjusting is just part of the gig.
I agree, new cloth diamond plays better. I've played on both over many years. Brand new cloth at DCC, Expo, and when rooms change their cloth. Old cloth on local rooms. Even at places like the DCC, you will hear players say something like "I can't believe that ball went there".Diamonds are playing good if rail cloth is good shape. Worn out rail cloth makes Diamonds play like shit. Get on new cloth Diamond iusedtoberich
It's a fair point, as to what is "correct". But it's not only Brunswick. It's every other table too (at least that I played on). From garbage home furniture tables, snooker tables in commercial rooms, and carom tables. They all play with an expected slowing down of the CB once it hits the rail, and with an expected "longish" angle. Diamonds have this bounce that seems excessive, and the angle is different too.
'play like shit'?? please quantify this answer. in what way? i don't play near as much or anywhere near as good as you but i just get all the negative takes. any table with worn cloth plays tougher to me.Diamonds are playing good if rail cloth is good shape. Worn out rail cloth makes Diamonds play like shit. Get on new cloth Diamond iusedtoberich
When the cloth is new, the ball slides more (as we all know). But what that does on a diamond, is the ball also banks off of the rails more "long and softer" than when the cloth gets worn in, and the cloth "bites" the CB/OB when it strikes the rails.
again, to each his own take but these diff's are small and easily adjusted to. Played 1p recently on an original D'mond Pro that was used at the Tulsa Camel Tour events. Yes it banked a lil short but both me and my opponent seemed to make/miss the same as on the GC4's in the house. Not a big deal at all. I've never had your reaction(s) to any table to be honest. All different, all have to be figured out.
Worn rail cloth Diamond tables can play so bad that normal 3 rails to corner come almost impossible shots. What happens is that after 1st rail hit takes all running english away from balls and 2nd rail comes out like there would be reverse spin. Results are very confusing to all players. Thats why basic 2-3 rail position shot people scratch to side pockets. That scratch is not even possible on other tables.
I am posting while practicing on a 7’ Diamond that is very lively. I like Diamonds but I am not sure that they are ideal. That said, they have become the standard table. The biggest incentive to get one in my house is because they are everywhere. Not sure it is the best deal or most available etc…. I am not sure what the theoretically perfect table is.
I don't know about today, since Dennis has been fairly quiet on the tables since he lost his U.S. visa. In Dennis' prime years I would put money in with him no matter who he was playing. I considered him to be the best money player in the world for many years. No one really wanted any part of him playing even, except maybe T-Rex in One Pocket. I NEVER ever bet against Dennis! Not once, not ever!
