Rating One Pocket Players

jazznpool said:
I like and respect Tony Chohan's game, but ask him how often he has gotten the best of Billy Palmer at 1P! I realize Billy doesn't go on the road...but he's the real deal.

Martin
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That would be a good question. It seemed that Billy was always a thorn in Tony's side.
 
everyone has their own list but its funny we all have the same player in the #1 spot.when you think about how much better he plays than say the #2 player on most peoples list(cliff) is a list really worth having?
 
Southpaw said:
I do find it hard to believe that Grady isnt on that list. Maybe Billy will play Grady some even one pocket since he thinks Grady doesnt make the grade......:rolleyes:

Southpaw
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Can I be the first in line to bet on Billy?
 
Blackjack said:
I also believe that Danny Harriman should be on the current list. He could give weight to most of the players on the current list.

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With all due respect.....No way is Danny supposed to spot anybody on the list....His shooting and banking are as good as it gets, but his moving is decidedly below these guys - and he'll say that himself......For instance, at the last DCC he said to me that Nevel will outmove him.
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jay helfert said:
Not a bad list. It's hard to do anything with Mark Tadd, because he played for such a short time. I won't argue too much with Billy's list of current players, other than to say that I also think Danny Harriman belongs on here, and maybe Parica also.

As far as the old timer's list, Eddie Taylor has to be on my list near the top, as does Marvin Henderson. I don't think Billy got to see Marvin play as much as I did, but he was the real deal. There is no one ever that had to like playing Marvin when he was "right". And Parica also is a must on my all time list. I would expand my list to include Mizerak, Sigel, Buddy and Varner, with Rempe getting an Honorable Mention. All five of the above played jam up One Pocket.

So the all time list may need as many as 20 names to be complete. And who really knows how good Jack Cooney was? I think he might be in the top ten. I saw him play a few good players and personally I think his speed was a ball below Ronnie.

Oh and one more very short list. All Time leading money winner at One Pocket. Hands down to Jack Cooney. Second place to MR. WILLIAM INCARDONA! Third place goes to Ronnie and fourth to Efren.
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Jay,
You are right about Taylor,and Henderson,but that was more than 40 years ago.I really didn't get the opportunity to watch either of them play in their prime.My list is comprised of the players that I played ,or watched them play in their prime.
 
JAM said:
Here's a little one-pocket tale, edited for forum land:

Ronnie Allen talks of the time when he, Richie Florence, and Ed Kelly were in Mobile, Alabama. They had gone there hoping they could match up with a wealthy bookmaker that they had heard was a good pool player and liked to gamble real high.

After some hot sessions, the bookmaker ended up losing a lot of money to them. He still liked them very much, didn't hold any animosity towards them, and suggested that from Mobile, they should go to Johnston City, Illinois, to the Jansco Brothers Cue Club where Rudy Wanderone hung out.

The bookmaker said, "Ronnie, you should play him one-pocket, and, Richie, you play the 9-ball; that is, if you can get the fat man to play 9-ball, because his best games are bank pool and one-pocket."

Kelly ended up having to fly home, but Richie and Ronnie went to Johnston City to Jansco's where Fats hung out, but it seems that Ronnie's fast-growing reputation as a one-pocket player had preceeded him, and Fats told him he would not play him, but he would take a one-ball spot from Richie, if he wanted to play some one-pocket.

Ronnie told Richie not to do it, advising him, "This old fox can play this game, and I'm telling you that you cannot beat him spotting him a ball." Richie was apprehensive about the spot, but he sure did want to play Fats. So later on, when Ronnie had gone back into the kitchen to fix himself a steak -- the pool players more or less had free run of the place in those days -- Richie told Fats that he would try him some.

By the time Ronnie had finished eating and returned to the playing area, Richie had lost $6,000 to Fats. Ronnie left, but he said Richie stayed there and played Fats one-pocket every day for the next 30 days until Fats had him completely broke.

:D :D :D

JAM
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Jen,
I have a feeling that wasn't something that you saw and remembered,but I will say that your source of information is very reliable.
 
Scottster said:
Since there is no mention of Danny Harriman here, and you didn't list him as one of the worthy player's you would like to have attend in the One Pocket event at Diamonds in a previous post.

Does that mean you would match up with him even? or maybe even spot him a ball since he isn't even worthy of a mention in any of these posts?
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Scottser,
That question is totally up surd. What makes you believe that I would play Harriman even anything,let alone spot him a ball?If that 's your way of hustling me you have accomplished your goal. I'll take a ball less than the players on my list GIVE me . Meaning i'll take 10/7,and if he's the player you think he is (which he very well might be)than the smart thing for you to do is bring him to Dallas and we'll find out.And if he beats me he will leave with more than my respect.In either case I do respect him as a player/person.
 
Terry Ardeno said:
Billy,

I have a couple of questions.
#1. Shannon Daulton listed below Chohan and Frost for best in the last 40 years? Really? :confused: How about all his One Pocket titles? What major 1P titles does Frost and Chohan have that Daulton doesn't have more of?
The list doesn't specify gambling only vs tournament play, but just by credentials, Shannon HAS to rate above Frost, Chohan as well as Champagne Eddie, who I thought was a better 9 baller and 14.1 player than 1 pocket specialist.
#2. Grady doesn't rate anywhere? Is that really fair?

You know way more than I ever will. But I'm confused as to these two points.
Respectfully,
Terry
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Terry,
In an earlier post of mine I mentioned that#6 thru#13 is a toss up,so Daulton is definetly a good a one pocket player as Frost,or Chohan. But in my opinion under Kelly.And in regard to Grady,he is an excellant player,but not on my top 13 list.
 
Billy would you play Buddy Hall even heads up one pocket at this stage in life ? And I mean when Buddy recovers from the blues from loosing a close friend. Just curious and would like to see that game on Diamonds camera systems.

Leonard
 
poolcuemaster said:
Billy would you play Buddy Hall even heads up one pocket at this stage in life ? And I mean when Buddy recovers from the blues from loosing a close friend. Just curious and would like to see that game on Diamonds camera systems.

Leonard
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Leonard,
I have the utmost respect for Buddy Hall,I believe he was one of the greatest players to ever play this game. I would love to play Buddy in Dallas, not so much that I think I could beat him,but I would like to see how it would turn out. And I really don't think that i'm the favorite,but if I play my best game it could be interesting.I'm 63 years old and playing well enough in my opinion to play anyone my age ,which I will. So if anyone out there has someone my age,bring them and their ID to Dallas and we'll play. For gambling,and the love of the game.
 
You say that very gracefully and I have a real respect for your game and like Jay said he won the cash when he bet on you. I am looking forward to DCC this year and maybe getting to watch you in action, I'll be at US Open also but have never seen you gambling at Q masters. I guess they keep you to busy. Good luck.

Leonard
 
wincardona said:
Scottser,
In either case I do respect him as a player/person.
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Mr. Incardona, I am not trying to hustle you, I just thought the least Danny deserves was a mention that he would be welcomed to come and play in the One Pocket event you are going to have in Dallas. I am glad to hear you are not a member of the "Harriman Hate Club".
 
I would do a reconsider on Jose Parica. He has played all of them and beat them in tournament as well as cash games. I think Jose in his prime never feared any of them and beat them all including Efren.
 
Billy, nice list..

Note to everyone: It doesn't matter what YOU Think. This is THIS mans opinion, and I'm sure he's given the list some thought. He knows more about pool (and specifically, these players) that most of you ever will. Instead of telling him he should give other players more respect, maybe you should give him some....

I may have a different list for a top 10 than him, and I may not agree with the placement of everyone - but who am I to tell him he is wrong? It is who HE thinks is is the top 10(13). I just think it's funny that you're trying to change his mind.

Billy... if you know anyone in the pool world who needs design / print work (business cards, flyers, t-shirts, a website, etc) then GIVE ME A HOLLAR!!!
 
We could go on and on forever, defending our choices for many reasons. My best friend, I watched him beat whomever,He won 3 titles,he knows more about the game,he's from my home town,he plays in the same room as me,plus he plays all games great,he was from my era,he banks better, he runs more balls,he never gives up a shot,he's the best manager on the table, he has instructional videos. Most of these are ligitamate criterias,some are not.My opinion is not based on any of them,they are simply based on how I felt either watching,or playing them. I realize everyone has an opinion , and were entitled to have one,even me. So don't get mad at me because my opinion differs from yours. You could be right.
 
wincardona said:
We could go on and on forever, defending our choices for many reasons. My best friend, I watched him beat whomever,He won 3 titles,he knows more about the game,he's from my home town,he plays in the same room as me,plus he plays all games great,he was from my era,he banks better, he runs more balls,he never gives up a shot,he's the best manager on the table, he has instructional videos. Most of these are ligitamate criterias,some are not.My opinion is not based on any of them,they are simply based on how I felt either watching,or playing them. I realize everyone has an opinion , and were entitled to have one,even me. So don't get mad at me because my opinion differs from yours. You could be right.
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^ You basically just reinforced what I said... you just negated my statement... it's like a double negative now.... I STOOD UP FOR YOU! HOW COULD YOU DO THIS!?!?!?!?!... haha.
But seriously, let them know about the design print... baby she gotta eat, and daddy he needs shoes :cool:
 
Blackjack said:
Billy

I was wondering where you would place Mark Tadd on that list? If not in the top 10, where would you put him? He was phenomenal at all games!

I also believe that Danny Harriman should be on the current list. He could give weight to most of the players on the current list.

Also, the past "40 years list" looks kind of silly without Grady Mathews - IMO, its just silly as leaving Mike Sigel off the list of greatest 9 ball players of the past 40 years.
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Blackjack,
Maybe that's because Sigel could arguably be the best nine ball plater in the last 40 years. You ceretainly won't get an argument from me on that one.
 
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