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Wieguns said:
Here are some pictures I already had available to share. I can take any other specific pictures you would like to see later today.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Enq5pmMMTwADF5FZA

Thanks for taking the time to look.
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Those are 2 part rails with the T-nut rail bolt anchors mounted in the center of the rails, so about 10ft lbs is the tightest you want to go, just listen to the rails while you're tightening them, if you start hearing any sounds around 8 or 9ft lbs, stop there and set them all the same.
 
Thanks for taking he time to offer up your expertise. Looks like I need to get a different torque wrench. Mines a 10-80 3/8.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Is that the Aramith pool-sized balls snooker set? I was thinking about getting that just because snooker on a pool table sounds fun.

(Sorry about jumping thread topic but had to ask)
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Oh, yes, me too! I'm surprised there are 15 reds, I would have imagined only ten reds on a 9' pool table. But, yes, I'd love to have a 2 1/4" snooker ball set.

My table came with an Aramith Premier pool ball set. They are pretty good! The Premier snooker ball set is about $200.
 
Yes, that is a full set of 2.25 inch Aramith snooker balls. I bought it from a local shop for $180. It is a lot of fun. It is definitely less congested if you remove the back row of reds, but even with them there it is a lot of fun.
 
Wieguns said:
Thanks for taking he time to offer up your expertise. Looks like I need to get a different torque wrench. Mines a 10-80 3/8.
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Just a heads up, you may not find a torque wrench in the foot pound (ft.lb.) range that goes below 10 foot pound (ft.lb.), so in that case you would be looking to step down into the inch pound (in.lb.) range for your torque wrench. You simply multiply the desired ft. lb. of torque by 12 to get the equivalent torque in in.lb. (Example; 10 ft. lb. X 12 = 120 in. lb.) The reason for your wrench starting at 10 ft.lb. is because they tend to be less accurate in the lower 20% range, so the maker of the wrench will exclude the lower 20% or so, and start the scale in the lowest range that meets the industry standards.
 
Lawnboy77 said:
Just a heads up, you may not find a torque wrench in the foot pound (ft.lb.) range that goes below 10 foot pound (ft.lb.), so in that case you would be looking to step down into the inch pound (in.lb.) range for your torque wrench. You simply multiply the desired ft. lb. of torque by 12 to get the equivalent torque in in.lb. (Example; 10 ft. lb. X 12 = 120 in. lb.) The reason for your wrench starting at 10 ft.lb. is because they tend to be less accurate in the lower 20% range, so the maker of the wrench will exclude the lower 20% or so, and start the scale in the lowest range that meets the industry standards.
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Harbor Freight has a $20 3/8" drive torque wrench with a range from 5-80 ft lbs. This is the like I bought and it worked like a charm.

https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-drive-click-type-torque-wrench-63880.html

The bigger drives like 1/2" seen to have to larger ranges.
 
Wieguns said:
Yes, that is a full set of 2.25 inch Aramith snooker balls. I bought it from a local shop for $180. It is a lot of fun. It is definitely less congested if you remove the back row of reds, but even with them there it is a lot of fun.
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I also noticed the colors are numbered with the value of points in snooker. A yellow #2 ball--what a novelty. Very cool.
I have a 10 foot gold crown, and that full 15 of reds would work nicely.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
I also noticed the colors are numbered with the value of points in snooker. A yellow #2 ball--what a novelty. Very cool.
I have a 10 foot gold crown, and that full 15 of reds would work nicely.
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That's really interesting, a 10' Gold Crown. The best I can discern from Brunswick documentation is that the 10' option was offered as a snooker or carom table. Of course, the carom table wouldn't have pockets, so is yours a snooker table? Or could it have been converted form snooker to pool? (I imagine a conversion would involve only the rails, i.e., making the ends of the cushions angular rather than roundd, and opening up the pocket width a bit. However, if it was originally set up to use standard snooker balls, a conversion would require a change to the cushion nose height, probably the entire cushion profile, would requires sub rail work.)

Just curious. Do you know what year yours is?

"Available in pocket and gully models, 8', 9', with snooker and carom tables in 10'."

from:

https://brunswick.pastperfectonline.com/library/1F121B0B-6F23-48C3-977D-320018892445
 
jviss said:
That's really interesting, a 10' Gold Crown. The best I can discern from Brunswick documentation is that the 10' option was offered as a snooker or carom table. Of course, the carom table wouldn't have pockets, so is yours a snooker table? Or could it have been converted form snooker to pool? (I imagine a conversion would involve only the rails, i.e., making the ends of the cushions angular rather than roundd, and opening up the pocket width a bit. However, if it was originally set up to use standard snooker balls, a conversion would require a change to the cushion nose height, probably the entire cushion profile, would requires sub rail work.)

Just curious. Do you know what year yours is?

"Available in pocket and gully models, 8', 9', with snooker and carom tables in 10'."

from:

https://brunswick.pastperfectonline.com/library/1F121B0B-6F23-48C3-977D-320018892445
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Yes, Brunswick made a 10' pocket pool GC, no Brunswick never made a 44"×88" 8ft GC, but I'm a little confused, is this thread still about the rail bolts being righted up?
 
realkingcobra said:
Yes, Brunswick made a 10' pocket pool GC, no Brunswick never made a 44"×88" 8ft GC, but I'm a little confused, is this thread still about the rail bolts being righted up?
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Yea, sorry for the hijack. But that text I quoted is from Brunswick documentation. Maybe the marketing department got out of synch with reality?
 
jviss said:
That's really interesting, a 10' Gold Crown. The best I can discern from Brunswick documentation is that the 10' option was offered as a snooker or carom table. Of course, the carom table wouldn't have pockets, so is yours a snooker table? Or could it have been converted form snooker to pool? (I imagine a conversion would involve only the rails, i.e., making the ends of the cushions angular rather than roundd, and opening up the pocket width a bit. However, if it was originally set up to use standard snooker balls, a conversion would require a change to the cushion nose height, probably the entire cushion profile, would requires sub rail work.)

Just curious. Do you know what year yours is?

"Available in pocket and gully models, 8', 9', with snooker and carom tables in 10'."

from:

https://brunswick.pastperfectonline.com/library/1F121B0B-6F23-48C3-977D-320018892445
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The 10 foot gold crown I have was Earl Strickland's practice/matchup table from Steinway billiards. The history is that it was a former carom table that was turned into a pocket table at the request of earl--with diamond specification pocket sizes (although sides are smaller) and artemis cushions.



All the thanks goes to Dave Egdahl and ace mechanic Geoff Bradshaw for the find, delivery, and set-up. It's been commented on as the finest playing 10 footer in NY state. I was told that Earl wants to play on it again and he might stop by before a turning stone to shoot some on it. That would be a pool room photo for the ages.




realkingcobra said:
Yes, Brunswick made a 10' pocket pool GC, no Brunswick never made a 44"×88" 8ft GC, but I'm a little confused, is this thread still about the rail bolts being righted up?
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Sorry RKC, as always, threads involving pool tables and valuable info zig and zag throughout because it's a fun topic.
Back on topic, what should the torque setting on 10 foot gold crown rails?
 
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Cardigan Kid said:
The 10 foot gold crown I have was Earl Strickland's practice/matchup table from Steinway billiards. The history is that it was a former carom table that was turned into a pocket table at the request of earl--with diamond specification pocket sizes (although sides are smaller) and artemis cushions.



All the thanks goes to Dave Egdahl and ace mechanic Geoff Bradshaw for the find, delivery, and set-up. It's been commented on as the finest playing 10 footer in NY state. I was told that Earl wants to play on it again and he might stop by before a turning stone to shoot some on it. That would be a pool room photo for the ages.






Sorry RKC, as always, threads involving pool tables and valuable info zig and zag throughout because it's a fun topic.
Back on topic, what should the torque setting on 10 foot gold crown rails?
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10ft lbs if fig 8 plates are installed, 15ft lbs if the capture nuts are installed in the rails.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
The 10 foot gold crown I have was Earl Strickland's practice/matchup table from Steinway billiards. The history is that it was a former carom table that was turned into a pocket table at the request of earl--with diamond specification pocket sizes (although sides are smaller) and artemis cushions.



All the thanks goes to Dave Egdahl and ace mechanic Geoff Bradshaw for the find, delivery, and set-up. It's been commented on as the finest playing 10 footer in NY state. I was told that Earl wants to play on it again and he might stop by before a turning stone to shoot some on it. That would be a pool room photo for the ages.






Sorry RKC, as always, threads involving pool tables and valuable info zig and zag throughout because it's a fun topic.
Back on topic, what should the torque setting on 10 foot gold crown rails?
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And when looking at the rails on your table, snooker rails don't have 3 rail sites per rail, or score counters, only the 10' pocket rails come like that.
 
realkingcobra said:
And the snooker rails are longer than the pocket rails are, because the snooker castings are smaller, and those are not snooker casting.
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Well, I'll be darned....maybe it's a full blown 10 foot pocket table then. The pocket cuts on the slates looked rough, and not as smooth as my other gold crown, but that was brunstone 9 foot...and this table is actual slate.

 
Cardigan Kid said:
Well, I'll be darned....maybe it's a full blown 10 foot pocket table then. The pocket cuts on the slates looked rough, and not as smooth as my other gold crown, but that was brunstone 9 foot...and this table is actual slate.

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Brunswick never used Brunstone on the 10' or 12' snooker, billiards, or pocket tables.
 
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