Reply to Dan White's Questions

JB Cases said:
well here is something similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0fAwmeOq8
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In that example (which I've seen before) the shot "angle" is almost exactly the same each time, and the OB is pretty close to the hole, which increases the margin of error. I think whatever anyone uses to aim, this wouldn't be too difficult because of the margin of error.

It would be more instructive to see the whole process, at a length where we can eliminate "margin of error" as a potential factor. And not just "aim and fire." The whole process - center-to-edge, edge-to-whichever point, pivot, shoot. Except the curtain will be dropped before the pivot is made.
 
BeiberLvr said:
How can adjustments be made when the object ball can't be seen while getting down into the stance?
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Are you asking me or Louie? I am not saying any adjustments are being made. I merely provided an example of looking, curtain drops, shooter drops into the shooting position and shoots.

one stroke said:
Can you show me how the cue ball makes contact on cut shots and only touches half the surface of a straight in shot


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Huh? Half Ball Hit REFERS to the overlap from the shooter's cue tip to the object ball through the center of the cueball.

louieatienza said:
In that example (which I've seen before) the shot "angle" is almost exactly the same each time, and the OB is pretty close to the hole, which increases the margin of error. I think whatever anyone uses to aim, this wouldn't be too difficult because of the margin of error.

It would be more instructive to see the whole process, at a length where we can eliminate "margin of error" as a potential factor. And not just "aim and fire." The whole process - center-to-edge, edge-to-whichever point, pivot, shoot. Except the curtain will be dropped before the pivot is made.
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Understand, but that table has 4.25" pockets and the angle is NOT the same each time.
 
JB Cases said:
Are you asking me or Louie? I am not saying any adjustments are being made. I merely provided an example of looking, curtain drops, shooter drops into the shooting position and shoots.
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It was more directed towards the naysayers.

A serious question. How does one make adjustments if the object ball can't be seen?
 
So, is this a 1/2 ball hit?
 

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BeiberLvr said:
It was more directed towards the naysayers.

A serious question. How does one make adjustments if the object ball can't be seen?
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Well the whole point of CTE/Pro One is that there are supposed to be no adjustments; once the CTE visual is established, visual sweep, edge to whatever target, then pivot to CB center, the cue is supposed to be in the EXACT aim line provided it is stroked dead center.

And yes, the angle is as close to the same each time as humanly possible. And always a left cut. And even with a tight pocket, that still leaves a little less than a 2" margin of error over about 18", which appears to be the average OB distance to pocket in the video.
 
JB Cases said:
LOL. I think I am going to make this one part of my signature.

Shit I am going to make a laser engraved sign with this quote and put it in my training facility.

"No such thing as a 1/2 ball hit....." - Duckie
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Following this logic if you want to put top or bottom english on a ball, you had best just forget about it because balls do not have tops or bottoms! :grin:
 
mohrt said:
Following this logic if you want to put top or bottom english on a ball, you had best just forget about it because balls do not have tops or bottoms! :grin:
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Really.......the bottom of the ball is what is touching the table and the top is opposite the bottom which is touching the table. Points you can actually see and touch.

So,you really can't put top or bottom spin on it.....cause to put bottom on it would require you to hit the CB where it touches the table.....CB bottom......which is impossible.

Now top you can, but who stokes down on the top, the spot opposite of the bottom of the CB that is touching the table.

So, you got a pic of a 1/2 hit, or do you just follow the sheep.

The only reason CTE "works" is because those who use it can't think logically.
 
8pack said:
If you can't figure out what one means by a 1/2 ball hit, maybe you should stay out of the conversation. Just saying.:wink:
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I know exactly what is meant......putting the CB at a certain spot on table.

Tell me how you imagine a 1/2 ball hit in a 3D world and cause I can't do it.

Telling me to do a 1/2 ball hit is meaningless.....cause in my little pool playing world, it doesn't exist.

Was at the table 3 hours yesterday, not once did 1/2 ball hit come to mind, nor did I ever see one.

Assuming everyone thinks and can see or rather imagine the same is the problem. You use 1/2 ball hit terminology therefore everyone must do the same......wrong.

You can see a 1/2 ball hit therefore everyone can see a 1/2 ball hit.
 
duckie said:
Really.......the bottom of the ball is what is touching the table and the top is opposite the bottom which is touching the table. Points you can actually see and touch.



So,you really can't put top or bottom spin on it.....cause to put bottom on it would require you to hit the CB where it touches the table.....CB bottom......which is impossible.



Now top you can, but who stokes down on the top, the spot opposite of the bottom of the CB that is touching the table.



So, you got a pic of a 1/2 hit, or do you just follow the sheep.



The only reason CTE "works" is because those who use it can't think logically.
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Dr Dave has video explanations of 1/2 ball hits, it's not rocket science. The same reason you can find top and bottom is the same reason you can make 1/2 ball hits, same reason you can find edges. Is all relative to the table and ones orientation on the balls.
 
duckie said:
I know exactly what is meant......putting the CB at a certain spot on table.

Tell me how you imagine a 1/2 ball hit in a 3D world and cause I can't do it.

Telling me to do a 1/2 ball hit is meaningless.....cause in my little pool playing world, it doesn't exist.

Was at the table 3 hours yesterday, not once did 1/2 ball hit come to mind, nor did I ever see one.

Assuming everyone thinks and can see or rather imagine the same is the problem. You use 1/2 ball hit terminology therefore everyone must do the same......wrong.

You can see a 1/2 ball hit therefore everyone can see a 1/2 ball hit.
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You have 2 edges that you should see, right side and left side. Aim center cb at one of the edges. That's it.:)
This is actually one of the easier things to figure out ..you finding this difficult..well, maybe pool isn't your thing.
 
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duckie said:
Really.......the bottom of the ball is what is touching the table and the top is opposite the bottom which is touching the table. Points you can actually see and touch.

So,you really can't put top or bottom spin on it.....cause to put bottom on it would require you to hit the CB where it touches the table.....CB bottom......which is impossible.

Now top you can, but who stokes down on the top, the spot opposite of the bottom of the CB that is touching the table.

So, you got a pic of a 1/2 hit, or do you just follow the sheep.

The only reason CTE "works" is because those who use it can't think logically.
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So how does one touch the points on the ball when balls don't have points?
 
louieatienza said:
Great... but how many times does an exact 30deg. cut come up in a random rack?
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It comes up as many times as you need it. It is s foundational cut angle for safety play because the paths of the balls are predictable and the distance the cb and object ball travel are the same.


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Tony_in_MD said:
It comes up as many times as you need it. It is s foundational cut angle for safety play because the paths of the balls are predictable and the distance the cb and object ball travel are the same.
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Well to be exact, according to Dr. Dave, for stun shots the angle has to be 45 degrees for both balls to travel the same distance. For a rolling cue ball the angle has to be a little fuller than a half ball 30 degree hit, at 33.5 degrees.
 
Dan White said:
Well to be exact, according to Dr. Dave, for stun shots the angle has to be 45 degrees for both balls to travel the same distance. For a rolling cue ball the angle has to be a little fuller than a half ball 30 degree hit, at 33.5 degrees.
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Thanks for the clarification I will have look up the info on daves site. I hope though the points I was trying to make make sense.


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