Review of my SugarTree with old growth shaft

chaozzzsg

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Hey guys,

Just got a brand new old growth shaft from Eric Crisp himself, according to him, the shaft is well over 300 year old, and i must say that it hits great. The hit is lively and firm. Got very good spin from the shaft and the control is superb. The shaft is very consistent all around, and the feedback is great. Another fine work by Eric himself.
 
masonh said:
man i would love tp have some of that stuff.

Still have two 8' boards, but i'm not selling :) I cut the tree three years ago, just now getting shafts.
 
qbilder said:
Still have two 8' boards, but i'm not selling :) I cut the tree three years ago, just now getting shafts.

haha..seems like i am the lucky few to be able to get the shaft ;)
 
The tree was huge, around 130-150ft. & close to 4' diameter. We cut an 8' log, then used the chainsaw to square it up to 3' so it would fit in the mill. After kiln drying, then sitting for a year I began cutting boards into squares, then into dowels. Of the entire log I picked 88 shafts that I felt were suitable. Of that 88, there's roughly 50 that made it through into shafts. Not many, but I have more old growth logs from the same property to cut down & mill up as they die. So i'll always have some, but never a lot.
 
qbilder said:
The tree was huge, around 130-150ft. & close to 4' diameter. We cut an 8' log, then used the chainsaw to square it up to 3' so it would fit in the mill. After kiln drying, then sitting for a year I began cutting boards into squares, then into dowels. Of the entire log I picked 88 shafts that I felt were suitable. Of that 88, there's roughly 50 that made it through into shafts. Not many, but I have more old growth logs from the same property to cut down & mill up as they die. So i'll always have some, but never a lot.
Can you say premium coring dowels , 14-18 inches long?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Can you say premium coring dowels , 14-18 inches long?

Oh, yeah. If I were a coring kinda cuemaker i'd have some pretty great coring wood!!!
 
Chaozzz, congrats on a great acquisition. I have had a sneaky from Eric and am waiting delivery of an ebony one so I know just how well Eric's cues play.

P.S. Now after the free ad, do I qualify for a complimentary old growth shaft?:D:D Just kidding!
 
Stan, i am sure that u will love your SugarTree, til now have not heard anyone that doesn't like it
 
how many rpi on that wood.i have bought 10+ boards of Birdseye over the last few months from various people.one of those boards i believe to be Old Growth.it is 50+rpi and it is the heaviest densest Maple i have ever seen.it is similar in weight to Purpleheart.

basically i was wondering how to tell if the wood is Old Growth without seeing the tree.
 
JoeyInCali said:
They would have mammoth pee on them.

You are certainly right Joey. The only part that I think may be over the top is the second part of the test. Where you have to lick the wood:eek: , to see if it gives you the Woollies!!!!!!;) :D
 
Another source of wood that you can certainly call old growth are old house cues from the 1930's back. I have accumulated close to 300 now, and I buy them whenever the price is right. Most have warped forward of the points, however, I have around 80 at this time that are still perfectly straight and can be dated by their Brunswick decals or other other methods I have found to determine the date. Back in the time I am speaking of, most of the shafts are 13mm plus at the ferrule, if they ever had one in the first place. You see ferrules or Cue points as they were known, were an option through the end of the 1930's, you had the choice of Black fiber, Buckhorn, Ivory, or no ferrule at all from Brunswick.

In most cases when you remove the shaft you have 31 or 32 inches of length to work with, which keeps everything over sized by todays standards. I have removed shafts and found up to 60 growth rings at the cut. Not to mention the fact that even if the butt is not perfect for conversion, due to the points or other problems you can still cut sections for butts, rings, or for coring dowels. Wood that has dried for 60 plus years is about as stable as it gets, and the grain / contour of the wood is also pretty well figured in most cases. In addition many of these older cues were hugh by todays standards from the points back, which is also a plus.

So, like I said nothing is really wasted and it is hard to find anything close for the price of these old one peice cues.

Oh and by the way, during the time frame Brunswick was making house cues from about the 1880's through the 1930's wood was not Kiln dried. It was aged in special rooms at the factory. Now I an uncertain how long they actually let it dry before use, however, I suspect that it was close to 8 years due to some information I have found over the years. So if a cue was made in 1900, the wood most likely went into a drying room around 1892 when it was received at the factory. During that time frame they certainly did not buy small quanities and you must also keep in mind that is was also unkown how long the tree had been cut down before it was milled, stored, and shipped for use.
 
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masonh said:
how many rpi on that wood.i have bought 10+ boards of Birdseye over the last few months from various people.one of those boards i believe to be Old Growth.it is 50+rpi and it is the heaviest densest Maple i have ever seen.it is similar in weight to Purpleheart.

basically i was wondering how to tell if the wood is Old Growth without seeing the tree.

Chances are good if it has 50 gpi then it can be considered old growth. Old growth in scientific terms is a tree that is 150+ years old before harvest. Many birdseye trees are old growth & very tight grain lines. Then again, not all old growth means tight grain. The tree I cut has 40-60 gpi areas & also has 8-15 gpi areas. Grain count depends on growing conditions, and which sifde of the tree the board was cut. The SW side of the tree will show tremendously less grain lines per inch than the NE side, because the sun never touches the NE side & stays on the sout side almost all day long.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Projectiles per GI ?
Sounds like a deadly squad.:)

Well, I guess it would be closer to 70 GPI, because it has the 64 GL on the .940" dowel. Stiff bastard of a shaft.
 
qbilder said:
Well, I guess it would be closer to 70 GPI, because it has the 64 GL on the .940" dowel. Stiff bastard of a shaft.
Speaking of projectiles, Edwin found some wooden rods used to clean ship canons in the islands a few years back. Guess what they were?
Yup, old maple.
 
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