revo...a bangers perspective

Bavafongoul said:
, then the jury is still out on CF shafts.


Matt B.
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Actually, the jury is not still out. They are out buying CF shafts, so much, they can't keep them in stock. It appears technology has come to pool, just like moving from ivory balls to phenolic.

I don't own a CF shaft and like any good consumer, I'll wait till I try at least a few first, and then wait for the prices to drop when others begin making them as well.

But, the CF shaft is not leaving, and is here to stay. The same was said about LD shafts a long time ago.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Actually, the jury is not still out. They are out buying CF shafts, so much, they can't keep them in stock. It appears technology has come to pool, just like moving from ivory balls to phenolic.

I don't own a CF shaft and like any good consumer, I'll wait till I try at least a few first, and then wait for the prices to drop when others begin making them as well.

But, the CF shaft is not leaving, and is here to stay. The same was said about LD shafts a long time ago.
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I agree. They are here to stay I believe. That doesn’t mean I think traditional shafts will disappear. Just another option.
 
I've tried a couple of Revos, and I got to say I liked the hit; but the black shaft is really hard for me to see the stick line, and that's a BIG part of my alignment and overall game. I still prefer my Gulyassy shafts over them, especially for the money. Once they come in different joint options, I might consider picking one up and giving it a real go.
 
trob said:
I agree. They are here to stay I believe. That doesn’t mean I think traditional shafts will disappear. Just another option.
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Yuup. And I don't know why having other "options" so terrify maple shaft users. I got buddies that play with maple (non LD shafts) and it bothers me not one bit. Of course, why would it. But, for some reason, we soon get that regular maple was good enough for Mosconi arguments. well, I'm not fuggin Mosconi :) lol
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yuup. And I don't know why having other "options" so terrify maple shaft users. I got buddies that play with maple (non LD shafts) and it bothers me not one bit. Of course, why would it. But, for some reason, we soon get that regular maple was good enough for Mosconi arguments. well, I'm not fuggin Mosconi :) lol
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This is a powerful observation.

I played with LD shafts for many years and really developed my best game and stroke using one. And I have a good stroke.

Now, about a year ago or so I switched back to maple. And it took me that long to re-adjust (partly because I barely play once a week for a few hours). I play with a Schon cue.

This past weekend I received in an OB+ shaft for the Schon (got a deal on two of them). I could immediately pocket balls with it without thinking. It's like my brain now knows how to play with LD or Normal without much thought. I set up a break shot in straight pool and ran a quick and easy 15 (I didn't keep going). Then I just hit balls.

Then I got into a game and had to switch back to the Schon. I can put more stroke into the maple shaft without following or drawing a mile. The maple banks balls easier. The feel and touch are way, way better. In some ways it feels like it applies spin or throw on the object ball much better. I almost feel like when you learn to use those minimal amounts of deflection it's to your advantage (look at Efren). And I realized that I didn't like the hollow feeling of the LD.

But, it's like you said. Pick a shaft and enjoy it. If you can play better with an LD shaft it makes the game way more fun! And that's all that matters. LD shafts are more efficient for players with weaker strokes. You get better draw, better follow, and can have a bigger margin of error when aiming. You can have a weak draw "stroke", but draw the ball really easy. Ultimately, if it makes you enjoy the game - I have no problem with it.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yuup. And I don't know why having other "options" so terrify maple shaft users. I got buddies that play with maple (non LD shafts) and it bothers me not one bit. Of course, why would it. But, for some reason, we soon get that regular maple was good enough for Mosconi arguments. well, I'm not fuggin Mosconi :) lol
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Well I think the out of this world claims of some causes blowback on this. I have tried most every type/ brand of shaft and the only thing I am certain of is this: there is no shaft that imparts the users mystical skills and talents.

The problem is that in many of the first revo reviews (on here at least), the folks who bought them felt they needed to justify the cost maybe? So instead of saying, hey, I liked it, had the money to spend, so I bought it...deal with it....instead you got all kinds of outlandish claims about how they are indestructible, undingable, lowest ever deflection, hit more than a ton, make shots you've never made before, you're crazy if you don't own one, will make you a stallion in bed, women want you and men want to be you, and on and on.

And then the back and forth starts. Well, have played golf with clubs having graphite shafts, aluminum shafts, Steel shafts, titanium shafts, heck even shafts made of boron. None of them dropped my handicap significantly or made me drive the ball 50 yards further. Seriously, if you ever research golf club shafts, steel, with all the high tech materials out there, is still a very popular choice. I reckon cue shafts will be the same! Get good with what you feel comfortable with.
 
jokrswylde said:
Well I think the out of this world claims of some causes blowback on this. I have tried most every type/ brand of shaft and the only thing I am certain of is this: there is no shaft that imparts the users mystical skills and talents.

The problem is that in many of the first revo reviews (on here at least), the folks who bought them felt they needed to justify the cost maybe? So instead of saying, hey, I liked it, had the money to spend, so I bought it...deal with it....instead you got all kinds of outlandish claims about how they are indestructible, undingable, lowest ever deflection, hit more than a ton, make shots you've never made before, you're crazy if you don't own one, will make you a stallion in bed, women want you and men want to be you, and on and on.

And then the back and forth starts. Well, have played golf with clubs having graphite shafts, aluminum shafts, Steel shafts, titanium shafts, heck even shafts made of boron. None of them dropped my handicap significantly or made me drive the ball 50 yards further. Seriously, if you ever research golf club shafts, steel, with all the high tech materials out there, is still a very popular choice. I reckon cue shafts will be the same! Get good with what you feel comfortable with.
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I started this thread just to share my experience and I dont believe I made any outlandish claims. The revo imparts more power on every shot and I am able to draw the cue ball easier and farther than any maple shaft I have ever used and i am stroking the cue just like I have always done for the entire time I have been playing pool.

That is just my experience so far and it is a fact...not a claim. I also have no illusions that it will make me play like svb.

I also do not feel the need to justify how i spend my money to anyone on this forum.

My one and only purpose for starting this thread was to share my experience the first night I played with it not to claim it is the best thing since mom's apple pie or trying to talk any one else into buying one.

Oh yea....i am going to take your advice. I wound up with a lil extra spending money after the holidays. Thought for a while about what to do with it and decided to buy a revo shaft to replace an 8 year old 314 shaft " which is still in good shape and does the job " on a blak 4. Yea I am happy I bought it. so deal with it. :grin-square:
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yuup. And I don't know why having other "options" so terrify maple shaft users. I got buddies that play with maple (non LD shafts) and it bothers me not one bit. Of course, why would it. But, for some reason, we soon get that regular maple was good enough for Mosconi arguments. well, I'm not fuggin Mosconi :) lol
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Well.....What if our buddies who switch to carbon fiber shafts get better than us? These are scary times:p
 
I want to play with a REVO on a $15 Budweiser cue butt. Would have to get the Budweiser cue converted to Radial or Uniloc.


According to the pool nerds, it should play as well as any other cue.


No doubt it would have a sharking effect toward some people who can't reconcile the various imbalances of such a concept. At the very least it would get some talk and snickers around the room.
 
I have a Becue and I also have custom cues and production cues with wood shafts.

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against carbon fiber shafts are people who have a lot of money tied up in one or more custom cues with wood shafts.

I think they are "afraid" that if/when there is ever a point that they decide to sell their cue that they may not get what they want out of it because all the buying crowd will be more interested in the new tech carbon stuff.

If they admit that carbon does as well or better, then they may be stuck with their toys and investments.

At some point, carbon fiber (and other high tech materials) are going to take over the butts of the cues, and not just the shafts.

There will always be traditionalists and old school players/collectors, but they are getting to be fewer and fewer.

I have played for over 50 years with all kinds of cues and I think the Becue will hit as well as any cue made. I have always been the type of person who wanted a "playing" cue and not something that was a "looker" with a lot of inlays and stuff. Some people like "bling"...I like "functional". To me, a pool cue is a "tool"...not "art".
 
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HawaiianEye said:
I have a Becue and I also have custom cues and production cues with wood shafts.

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against carbon fiber shafts are people who have a lot of money tied up in one or more custom cues with wood shafts.

I think they are "afraid" that if/when there is ever a point that they decide to sell their cue that they may not get what they want out of it because all the buying crowd will be more interested in the new tech carbon stuff.

If they admit that carbon does as well or better, then they may be stuck with their toys and investments.

At some point, carbon fiber (and other high tech materials) are going to take over the butts of the cues, and not just the shafts.

There will always be traditionalists and old school players/collectors, but they are getting to be fewer and fewer.

I have played for over 50 years with all kinds of cues and I think the Becue will hit as well as any cue made. I have always been the type of person who wanted a "playing" cue and not something that was a "looker" with a lot of inlays and stuff. Some people like "bling"...I like "functional". To me, a pool cue is a "tool"...not "art".
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And I'll add:

Beauty is 8n the eye of the beholder... whereas, low deflection is either low or high..... not someone's opinion.

Not to mention, it's a fact that CF cues are almost identical from one to another of the same maker. NOBODY can say that with any wood shaft maker that's ever lived, regardless of how many thousands they charge/charged for their cues....

Yep, times.... they are-a-changing!!!!!
 
HawaiianEye said:
I have a Becue and I also have custom cues and production cues with wood shafts.

It seems to me that the people who are so vocally against carbon fiber shafts are people who have a lot of money tied up in one or more custom cues with wood shafts.

I think they are "afraid" that if/when there is ever a point that they decide to sell their cue that they may not get what they want out of it because all the buying crowd will be more interested in the new tech carbon stuff.

If they admit that carbon does as well or better, then they may be stuck with their toys and investments.

At some point, carbon fiber (and other high tech materials) are going to take over the butts of the cues, and not just the shafts.

There will always be traditionalists and old school players/collectors, but they are getting to be fewer and fewer.

I have played for over 50 years with all kinds of cues and I think the Becue will hit as well as any cue made. I have always been the type of person who wanted a "playing" cue and not something that was a "looker" with a lot of inlays and stuff. Some people like "bling"...I like "functional". To me, a pool cue is a "tool"...not "art".
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Gosh,

$600 for a CF shaft.......

I spent half that much on a set of matching ring joint protectors for one of my cues
as if a few hundred more would be monetarily bothersome to add a shaft or two?

Get real......if a CF shaft was of appeal, and guys, I have previously posted last year
about my experience trying the Revo and Cuetec CF shafts, I’d have one or two now.

Well, that’s not the case and I could change that in a heartbeat if I were so inclined.
After playing with nothing but maple shafts going on 58 years, making the change
was too distracting given the amount of playing time I get to enjoy due to my right
shoulder that’s awaiting surgery #5 approval. It is the result of a worker comp re-injury
in 2010 which has hampered my table time since I am right handed. Add that to the
challenge of switching to CF shafts and perhaps you can appreciate why CF shafts
aren’t suited for everyone. It has nothing to do with one’s investment or sensitivity about
their custom cues. It is not about being stubborn minded, nor is it about being terrorized
by something new or different.......I just stick with what I like and works best for me just
like I do with pool chalk. Cuz I chalk after every shot, it doesn’t matter what brand I use.
For me, maple shafts are just better suited and until someone busts 526 using a CFshaft,
either technology or player skills have to improve to truly capture my dedicated attention.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Gosh,

$600 for a CF shaft.......

I spent half that much on a set of matching ring joint protectors for one of my cues
as if a few hundred more would be monetarily bothersome to add a shaft or two?

Get real......if a CF shaft was of appeal, and guys, I have previously posted last year
about my experience trying the Revo and Cuetec CF shafts, I’d have one or two now.

Well, that’s not the case and I could change that in a heartbeat if I were so inclined.
After playing with nothing but maple shafts going on 58 years, making the change
was too distracting given the amount of playing time I get to enjoy due to my right
shoulder that’s awaiting surgery #5 approval. It is the result of a worker comp re-injury
in 2010 which has hampered my table time since I am right handed. Add that to the
challenge of switching to CF shafts and perhaps you can appreciate why CF shafts
aren’t suited for everyone. It has nothing to do with one’s investment or sensitivity about
their custom cues. It is not about being stubborn minded, nor is it about being terrorized
by something new or different.......I just stick with what I like and works best for me just
like I do with pool chalk. Cuz I chalk after every shot, it doesn’t matter what brand I use.
For me, maple shafts are just better suited and until someone busts 526 using a CFshaft,
either technology or player skills have to improve to truly capture my dedicated attention.
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I think Willie Mosconi used a Rambow cue when he set the record. So, everybody maybe should be using Rambows.
 
lorider said:
I started this thread just to share my experience and I dont believe I made any outlandish claims. The revo imparts more power on every shot and I am able to draw the cue ball easier and farther than any maple shaft I have ever used and i am stroking the cue just like I have always done for the entire time I have been playing pool.

That is just my experience so far and it is a fact...not a claim. I also have no illusions that it will make me play like svb.

I also do not feel the need to justify how i spend my money to anyone on this forum.

My one and only purpose for starting this thread was to share my experience the first night I played with it not to claim it is the best thing since mom's apple pie or trying to talk any one else into buying one.

Oh yea....i am going to take your advice. I wound up with a lil extra spending money after the holidays. Thought for a while about what to do with it and decided to buy a revo shaft to replace an 8 year old 314 shaft " which is still in good shape and does the job " on a blak 4. Yea I am happy I bought it. so deal with it. :grin-square:
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It's NOT outlandish if it's true. I used maple shafts for over 30 years. Shot with a Burton Spain for 30 years. Tried an LD shaft, and things were just more consistent. I"m the biggest skeptic out there, not to mention in my line of work. But, damn, I could hit a lot of inside English and make the balls on a regular basis. That sold me.

Great that folks can do that with a maple shaft, I could NOT do it consistently enough for my liking. The LD worked. I could not even believe. I thought I was just getting lucky, but kept doing it, over and over.

So, yeah, for some folks, it works well. I won't use a REVO for two reasons. I avoid all things made in China as best as i can. With TV's and computers we don't have much choice.

Second, it appears it does not offer any better LD properties than a maple LD. The whole it won't warp or dent is not a big deal to me. So, until the CF shafts squirt less, I'm not really interested. When they do, and the price drops, I'll take a look at a non Chinese CF shaft.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
It's NOT outlandish if it's true. I used maple shafts for over 30 years. Shot with a Burton Spain for 30 years. Tried an LD shaft, and things were just more consistent. I"m the biggest skeptic out there, not to mention in my line of work. But, damn, I could hit a lot of inside English and make the balls on a regular basis. That sold me.

Great that folks can do that with a maple shaft, I could NOT do it consistently enough for my liking. The LD worked. I could not even believe. I thought I was just getting lucky, but kept doing it, over and over.

So, yeah, for some folks, it works well. I won't use a REVO for two reasons. I avoid all things made in China as best as i can. With TV's and computers we don't have much choice.

Second, it appears it does not offer any better LD properties than a maple LD. The whole it won't warp or dent is not a big deal to me. So, until the CF shafts squirt less, I'm not really interested. When they do, and the price drops, I'll take a look at a non Chinese CF shaft.
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Neither the Revo or Becue are made in China, fwiw
 
lorider said:
I started this thread just to share my experience and I dont believe I made any outlandish claims. The revo imparts more power on every shot and I am able to draw the cue ball easier and farther than any maple shaft I have ever used and i am stroking the cue just like I have always done for the entire time I have been playing pool.

That is just my experience so far and it is a fact...not a claim. I also have no illusions that it will make me play like svb.

I also do not feel the need to justify how i spend my money to anyone on this forum.

My one and only purpose for starting this thread was to share my experience the first night I played with it not to claim it is the best thing since mom's apple pie or trying to talk any one else into buying one.

Oh yea....i am going to take your advice. I wound up with a lil extra spending money after the holidays. Thought for a while about what to do with it and decided to buy a revo shaft to replace an 8 year old 314 shaft " which is still in good shape and does the job " on a blak 4. Yea I am happy I bought it. so deal with it. :grin-square:
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Easy bud, I wasn't talking about your thread. Maybe I should have bolded it, but I was referring to those first few Revo threads that went about a million pages with all the fussing back and forth. My apologies if you were offended. Aiming threads, cloth adhesive threads, TOI threads, NPR political threads, and now Revo threads...pretty soon I am going to ban myself from posting in pretty much any thread!:(
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I never mentioned BeCue. I was clearly speaking about the Revo. Just assumed because it's a Predator it would be made in China? Where is it made?
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Predator has told me on more than one occasion that all Revo's are made in a plant outside Boston, Ma.
 
I do not own CF cue/shaft. I have so many cues and cases that I'd have a hard time justifying to my wife why I'm getting another shaft (we're both on a fixed income now).

That said, I have played a few racks with a teammate's Becue and I really, really liked the feel of the hit. I don't feel like it made me play any better, but damn did it feel nice when I made contact with the cue ball.

I don't believe I'll ever buy a CF cue/shaft simply because what I currently own will get me through my pool lifetime (65 years old). Knowing what I know now about a CF cue (well, at least a Becue), I would recommend a CF cue/shaft to any young player with aspirations of becoming a decent player, providing they can afford one. I say this because I too believe that CF will continue to improve and grow in the pool industry.

Maniac
 
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