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Has anyone who switched to a Revo noticed an increase in miscues?

I'm getting a lot more than my old cue. Unfortunately, I put a new to me brand of tip on my Revo, so I'm not sure if its something about the revo/diameter. Or the tip.
 
Do you shoot further out on the cb because you can now? If so there's your answer. English is soaring and shouldn't be sloppily applied. We generally can use much less then we do to accomplish what we need to.


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greyghost said:
Do you shoot further out on the cb because you can now? If so there's your answer. English is soaring and shouldn't be sloppily applied. We generally can use much less then we do to accomplish what we need to.


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I'm playing fairly similar to how I use to with my Z. I don't go nuts with the english. I can run a few racks (I'm no banger = )

I've also experienced some extremely weird reactions on some miscues, where the cue ball gets launched way to the side. Guessing because of how flexible the shaft is and it pushes the ball the opposite direction.
 
To me, it sounds like you may be decelerating through the cue ball. If the shaft is whippy, it should decrease deflection, but if the shaft is whipping back and pushing the cue ball off course, than you may need to accelerate through the cue ball more, to stop this from happening.
 
It's physics.
High deflection shafts deflect off the cue ball more rapidly and easily than non low-end mass shafts.
They miscue more often on cue balls frozen on the rail.
 
poolscholar said:
I'm playing fairly similar to how I use to with my Z. I don't go nuts with the english. I can run a few racks (I'm no banger = )

I've also experienced some extremely weird reactions on some miscues, where the cue ball gets launched way to the side. Guessing because of how flexible the shaft is and it pushes the ball the opposite direction.
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This was my greatest concern about the Revo, for those who were used to 11.8mm diameter, now having to adjust to 12.9mm.

For example, when you put extreme low on the cue...with the 11.8 mm Z shaft, you would hit that no problem...but now with a the 12.9mm...you have .5mm extra on the low end of the tip and .5mm on the top....could that extra tip catch the cloth and miscue? On the top side, you have more leather surface area contacting the cue ball and that will disperse more unwanted action on a cue ball if your stroke is still in Z mode.

I would imagine you would have to readjust and bring every shot in towards the center enough to still obtain the desired draw while not miscueing.

You are not alone on this...I've watched pros using the Revo both on video and in person and uncharacteristic miscues have happened while I was watching. Still its not enough of a sample to say it's the Revo or if those pros were just having a bad match that day.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
This was my greatest concern about the Revo, for those who were used to 11.8mm diameter, now having to adjust to 12.9mm.

For example, when you put extreme low on the cue...with the 11.8 mm Z shaft, you would hit that no problem...but now with a the 12.9mm...you have .5mm extra on the low end of the tip and .5mm on the top....could that extra tip catch the cloth and miscue? On the top side, you have more leather surface area contacting the cue ball and that will disperse more unwanted action on a cue ball if your stroke is still in Z mode.

I would imagine you would have to readjust and bring every shot in towards the center enough to still obtain the desired draw while not miscueing.

You are not alone on this...I've watched pros using the Revo both on video and in person and uncharacteristic miscues have happened while I was watching. Still its not enough of a sample to say it's the Revo or if those pros were just having a bad match that day.
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I did have to adjust my game to come more to center right away when I started with the Revo. Which has made me a lot more accurate.

Shots where I have been miscuing a lot are weird shots like trying to throw balls with high inside at slow speed. Or masse shots. Sometimes just draw shots, which are the most concerning. I have a habit of gripping a bit too far up on the cue, which causes the tip to drop a bit at the ball, which might be the problem when I draw the ball sometimes. But I'd very rarely miscued with the z shaft (close to zero in competition).
 
poolscholar said:
Has anyone who switched to a Revo noticed an increase in miscues?

I'm getting a lot more than my old cue. Unfortunately, I put a new to me brand of tip on my Revo, so I'm not sure if its something about the revo/diameter. Or the tip.
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You mentioned "unfortunately" you put a new tip on your Revo, but no mention of brand or what hardness? You simply don't have a baseline unless you are sure of both.
Here is my two cents; of course just my opinions:

I have tried several different tips on my Revo shaft, including different hardness.
After ranging down to extremely soft (SS, VS, Etc) and up to med hard, I found that a soft tip is what works the best for me. Soft is on them originally and I find that soft is best suited.
This is based my confront level when applying extreme spin outside of center and best action within a half tip of center.

I previously use Z2, then Z3 shafts, the typical dime radius used on the 11.8mm diameters Z shafts did not work best for me on the 12.9mm Revo.
After trying tips at both ends of the price scale, the tip that I have been shooting with for the last few months is a SIB soft at a nickel radius and I am very content.
 
Bca8ball said:
You mentioned "unfortunately" you put a new tip on your Revo, but no mention of brand or what hardness? You simply don't have a baseline unless you are sure of both.
Here is my two cents; of course just my opinions:

I have tried several different tips on my Revo shaft, including different hardness.
After ranging down to extremely soft (SS, VS, Etc) and up to med hard, I found that a soft tip is what works the best for me. Soft is on them originally and I find that soft is best suited.
This is based my confront level when applying extreme spin outside of center and best action within a half tip of center.

I previously use Z2, then Z3 shafts, the typical dime radius used on the 11.8mm diameters Z shafts did not work best for me on the 12.9mm Revo.
After trying tips at both ends of the price scale, the tip that I have been shooting with for the last few months is a SIB soft at a nickel radius and I am very content.
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Did you miscue more with the hard tips?

I put a Zan grip hard on my revo. Probably a dime shaped. I love the tip compared to the soft predator (i can get a lot more spin) but maybe a softer tip would be more forgiving.
 
I shot with the Z2 and switched to the revo. no problems with miscueing. I would guess the tip is the problem or habits. I know when I go from 11.75mm to 12.9mm your visual is different your mind is telling you to put more English. Two tips of spin might look different to you. I've had the opposite happen to me go from 13 to 11.75 I end up going to low on the cue ball and jump it.
 
Scott Lee said:
Miscues happen 10x more often because of a poor stroke...rather than what tip is on the cue, or the tip size, or the tip hardness, or the tip curvature, or, or, or.



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Very true... it is and will always be the stroke/mechanics/focus including chalking and knowing your limitations outside of center.
However, if I couldn't play unless I had to always have a perfect stroke, someone would have needed to take away my belt and shoe laces long ago.

That said, in response to the OP, in my experience with the Revo shaft, miscues were more likely with a dime radius, followed (at a distance) by tip hardness.
Yes, there is certainly a direct relationship to forgiveness in a less than perfect stroke situation.
My experiments (2 shafts, 6 different tips i.e. 3 per shaft) were for the purpose of choosing what tip and shape I personally wanted to use.
I was purposely moving out from center and consistently shooting a 3 to 4 ring of english. 99.5% of the time I would never want to exceed a 3 ring but I want to be comfortable if/when I feel the need.

For me getting into the Very Soft or Super Soft range had too little contact response or just felt... well soft. Going beyond Medium counteracted with the already stiffer feel of the shaft.
In each case I tried a dime and nickel shape radius. I opted for Soft (currently SIB) but I do my own cue maintenance so I'm not concerned with replacements.
If I were concerned about who/when to get a tip replaced, I'd be fine with a Medium tip....no compromising on the nickel radius though....(of course IMO).
 
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