Revo on custom cue—blasphemy?

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RichSchultz

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What do ya’ll think? Does it ruin the hit feel of the custom cue, if you slap a Revo on it?

What are the real effects? Will it eliminate the snap/ping that is beloved by SugarTree (and other) users?

Seems there is a stigma attached; if buying a custom, seems you almost are expected to use the shaft that came with it. I know I use only my Crisp shaft; wondering what your thoughts are.
 
I wouldn't say it ruins it, but it definitely changes it. I spent a lot of money on a Bobby Hunter cue about a decade ago, slapped an OB shaft on it after a year. Still looks nice.
 
Most Cue makers don't care what shaft you use, as long as your using their cue. (Butt)
There's plenty of room for after market shafts because there is not one single shaft that fits every individual. I've changed quite a few joint screws to accommodate the Revo, and I've made quite a few shafts to fit a Predator.
 
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Michael Webb said:
Most Cue makers don't care what shaft you use, as long as your using their cue. (Butt)
There's plenty of room for after market shafts because there is not one single shaft that fits every individual. I've changed quite a few joint screws to accommodate the Revo, and I've made quite a few shafts to fit a Predator.
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But how will it alter the hit feel?
 
RichSchultz said:
But how will it alter the hit feel?
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If you are going from the shaft that the cuemaker made specifically for that cue, that is a non-laminated, standard maple shaft...

to a....

synthetic, non wood, low deflection shaft that is mass produced without consideration of the butt it is going to be attached too...

I would say.. a lot.

Not saying it's a bad thing, but I would expect that cue to hit completely different.
 
I put a Mezz WX900 on my Scruggs. It pockets from anywhere and puts whitey where you want it next. The sound of the hit doesn't mean much when the cue will play exactly as you expect.
 
While it may work for any one individual, no I don't think it's a great idea. One of the main reasons ( at least for me ) to buy a custom cue is specifically for the hit, not just for the way it looks. Keep in mind when a true custom cue maker makes his cues he is tuning everything to work together to achieve the hit they are famous for. Many are just as famous for their shafts as they are for the butts. I'd also give that a high end custom that only has an aftermarket shaft without the originals are gonna be significantly devalued as well. The other It's well known I'm not a huge fan of LD shafts but at the same time I think if someone is great - go for what you like. With that being said though, I think it's much smarter to get a butt that goes with your LD shaft. As far as I know, all manufacturers of LD shafts also make the butts too. Ultimately that seems like the best, smartest idea as I'd like to assume those manufacturers also tune their butts to go with their shafts same as a custom cue maker does. Not to mention, ( depending on the cue of course ) the black Revo shafts look absolutely HORRIBLE on many cues. Such as depending on what type, color, figure, wrap, veneers, points, etc etc will not go with the black Revo shaft in no way shape or form. What may go good with it though as far as looks is a cue with a lot of Ebony, a black wrap etc.
 
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But how will it alter the hit feel?
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Mr. Schultz:
A simple tip change can alter the hit and feel of a cue. At what point do you find what's comfortable for you? I say the same about low deflection shafts. At what point are they comfortable for the individual?
A little story.
A few years ago, a gentleman who works for Predator came to a tourney in Providence. We shot the shit, we had some fun. Then he says. Mind if I hit with your cue. I said sure!
He doesn't miss a ball. I smiled. Thank you.
He then asked. Is this one of your Low deflection shafts.
I reply. No Sir. I smile again.
Then I said. It's just a plain old shaft with a Triangle tip but the ferrule is different. Private stash that's not available anymore. Then, I point out the red fiber pad under my tip. It's not just for ivory ferrules and I laughed. He smiled and said, I had no idea what a little thing could change so much.
We had fun.
 
Btw. I did the same thing last night with a player who swears by Predator. He forgot his cue and wanted to jump in the box. I said. Here! Try this out. He did ok. Lmao
The end result that I live by is,
We as Cue makers that are capable of making shafts that play differently, are all correct in what we do. Versatility is better for ourselves as Craftsman and better for the Industry as a whole.
 
Michael Webb said:
Mr. Schultz:
A simple tip change can alter the hit and feel of a cue. At what point do you find what's comfortable for you? I say the same about low deflection shafts. At what point are they comfortable for the individual?
A little story.
A few years ago, a gentleman who works for Predator came to a tourney in Providence. We shot the shit, we had some fun. Then he says. Mind if I hit with your cue. I said sure!
He doesn't miss a ball. I smiled. Thank you.
He then asked. Is this one of your Low deflection shafts.
I reply. No Sir. I smile again.
Then I said. It's just a plain old shaft with a Triangle tip but the ferrule is different. Private stash that's not available anymore. Then, I point out the red fiber pad under my tip. It's not just for ivory ferrules and I laughed. He smiled and said, I had no idea what a little thing could change so much.
We had fun.
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love that story! i know i am sticking with my SugarTree shaft; my question is out of curiousity. I love the hit of my cue. Milk dud tip bought here is awesome!
 
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I would say to use whatever butt/shaft/tip combination that makes you feel most connected with the cue ball and what you want to accomplish. When the combination is just right, I do not think about the cue at all.

For me, the cue butt contributes to the hit. My favorite cue butt holds that distinction because it plays best with every shaft I own, including my Predator 314-2. I prefer traditional shafts, so they are what I use for play. I haven’t tried a Revo shaft, but I would anticipate the same impact on performance. If you are concerned about looks, you could match a Revo with an ebony custom.
 
I like my Predator shafts, and the same shaft will fit on my many butts. When I get ready to sell a cue I put the original pristine shaft on it...not saying Predator is the best, just what I'm used to...and the cue looks brand new when I sell it
 
Got aftermarket wheels, exhaust and intake on my vehicle. I assure you that there is more technology in my car than in a cue, and nobody is complaining or thinks it weird that I tweaked something that same from the maker.

Some customer makers will even make your cue with the shaft of your choice, or you'll pay the extra freight, but why would they care. they still make the sale. I'm hoping cue makers are in the business to sell cues regardless of what folks do with them afterwards, or in some cases, before the cue is built.
 
I don't really care what folks do. I actually prefer people try everything they can so that they have a solid grasp of what they want & what works for them. I want them to compare & contrast my cues with everything else available, and to do so with an open mind & objective approach. Let the chips fall where they may.

Advertising is a powerful suggestive influence, not only over how people spend but also in how they think. One must be careful to avoid being trapped in a concept to such degree that they are unaware & unable to be made aware that what they believe isn't real. Religion, politics, and business all have that one thing in common. They need you to believe only in them so that they can not only collect your money, but count on you to propagate the concept. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying any one thing is right or wrong, nor telling people what they should or shouldn't believe. I'm only pointing out that humans are subject to the power of suggestion. But they're also capable of abstract thought, and therefore some prefer objectivity over subjectivity.

Point being, not to get too deep, try a Revo out if you want to. See for yourself if it is what you like. My feelings as the cue maker are irrelevant. It's your money, your game, your enjoyment. It has nothing to do with what I or anybody else thinks. So long as you keep an open mind & take the experience for what it is rather than what you're told it should be, then you'll be in a good spot to make the best decision for yourself. As a cue maker, I want you to be 100% happy with your cue. If that means having a Revo shaft, then by all means have it. Some folks like Guinness & some like Bass Ale, while some prefer a Black & Tan that requires both. Putting an aftermarket shaft on a custom cue isn't the end of the world.
 
I like Revo’s on my production or custom cues. There are no rules. Like any cue it has to played with for a while to get the feel. There is nothing negative about them.
 
qbilder said:
I don't really care what folks do. I actually prefer people try everything they can so that they have a solid grasp of what they want & what works for them. I want them to compare & contrast my cues with everything else available, and to do so with an open mind & objective approach. Let the chips fall where they may.

Advertising is a powerful suggestive influence, not only over how people spend but also in how they think. One must be careful to avoid being trapped in a concept to such degree that they are unaware & unable to be made aware that what they believe isn't real. Religion, politics, and business all have that one thing in common. They need you to believe only in them so that they can not only collect your money, but count on you to propagate the concept. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying any one thing is right or wrong, nor telling people what they should or shouldn't believe. I'm only pointing out that humans are subject to the power of suggestion. But they're also capable of abstract thought, and therefore some prefer objectivity over subjectivity.

Point being, not to get too deep, try a Revo out if you want to. See for yourself if it is what you like. My feelings as the cue maker are irrelevant. It's your money, your game, your enjoyment. It has nothing to do with what I or anybody else thinks. So long as you keep an open mind & take the experience for what it is rather than what you're told it should be, then you'll be in a good spot to make the best decision for yourself. As a cue maker, I want you to be 100% happy with your cue. If that means having a Revo shaft, then by all means have it. Some folks like Guinness & some like Bass Ale, while some prefer a Black & Tan that requires both. Putting an aftermarket shaft on a custom cue isn't the end of the world.
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Great post, Eric. Of course, I prefer sticking with the shaft you made. In fact, just emailed you about a production request. I brag about your work all the time.
 
qbilder said:
I don't really care what folks do. I actually prefer people try everything they can so that they have a solid grasp of what they want & what works for them. I want them to compare & contrast my cues with everything else available, and to do so with an open mind & objective approach. Let the chips fall where they may.



Advertising is a powerful suggestive influence, not only over how people spend but also in how they think. One must be careful to avoid being trapped in a concept to such degree that they are unaware & unable to be made aware that what they believe isn't real. Religion, politics, and business all have that one thing in common. They need you to believe only in them so that they can not only collect your money, but count on you to propagate the concept. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying any one thing is right or wrong, nor telling people what they should or shouldn't believe. I'm only pointing out that humans are subject to the power of suggestion. But they're also capable of abstract thought, and therefore some prefer objectivity over subjectivity.



Point being, not to get too deep, try a Revo out if you want to. See for yourself if it is what you like. My feelings as the cue maker are irrelevant. It's your money, your game, your enjoyment. It has nothing to do with what I or anybody else thinks. So long as you keep an open mind & take the experience for what it is rather than what you're told it should be, then you'll be in a good spot to make the best decision for yourself. As a cue maker, I want you to be 100% happy with your cue. If that means having a Revo shaft, then by all means have it. Some folks like Guinness & some like Bass Ale, while some prefer a Black & Tan that requires both. Putting an aftermarket shaft on a custom cue isn't the end of the world.
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You hit a good nail there. I may not personally care for a change of shaft on my cue but hey if the customer orders it.....they can do whatever they want when they get it.

You know as well as I do that many bad reviews on cues (besides bad construction). Is solely based off x player blindly buying a makers work not knowing anything about hit styles etc.

That’s why we all kind of prescribe the try before you buy


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