reyes/blomdahl/sayginer
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I haven't heard of these matches, but I know Efren plays some mean 3-cushion (I believe he was asian champion in '95) so he could definitely beat Blomdahl and Sayginer. If they were to play extremely long matches I'm pretty sure Semih and Tjorborn (or something) would come out on top playing 3C. Blomdahl is playing pool in the Dutch ProTeamLeague and boy can he play.
Double-Dave said:
I don't think Efren could beat any of the top 3-cushion players unless he was to solely practice 3-cushion for a good 3-6 months. He's got all the knowledge and ability to play world class 3-cushion.
As for Blomdahl playing pool, I am very glad to hear that. That guy is a FRIGGIN MACHINE! I think that 3-cushion players converted to pool players are the best. They are extremely accurate shotmakers, because in 3-cushion you must be extremely accurate on how thick or thin you hit the OB, and exactly where you strike the cueball. Plus with Blomdahl's power stroke, holy crap he would be unstoppable if he converted strictly to pocket billiards. Ok well that's just a guess, but I think he would be one of the world's best if he played for a year.
I'm going to have to disagree on this one. In a long race, Efren has no chance against Sayginer or Blomdahl just like they have no chance to beat Efren in a serious match of pool.
Efren probably averages .800 to 1.100. Blomdahl has averaged double that in numerous tournements around the world. Same thing for Sayginer.
Robert Byrne gets all excited on the old 3-C matches talking about Blomdahl's pool game. Blomdahl himself has said he'd have no chance against the top phillipinos. Maybe shortstop speed, but no chance in hell of being one of the best. Same thing for snooker- Blomdahl can make some nice runs but there's probably 100 teenagers in the UK who would drill him.
Sayginer reportedly was playing pool and missed a shot and someone made a joke. Supposedly he ran three nice racks of 14.1 after that and looked like he knew what he was doing. Still, I doubt he wants any part of Thorsten Holmann,etc...
The Sang Lee tournement is being held in NY again this year. Maybe someone can get Efren to enter and we can see what he can do.
Efren probably averages .800 to 1.100. Blomdahl has averaged double that in numerous tournements around the world. Same thing for Sayginer.
Robert Byrne gets all excited on the old 3-C matches talking about Blomdahl's pool game. Blomdahl himself has said he'd have no chance against the top phillipinos. Maybe shortstop speed, but no chance in hell of being one of the best. Same thing for snooker- Blomdahl can make some nice runs but there's probably 100 teenagers in the UK who would drill him.
Sayginer reportedly was playing pool and missed a shot and someone made a joke. Supposedly he ran three nice racks of 14.1 after that and looked like he knew what he was doing. Still, I doubt he wants any part of Thorsten Holmann,etc...
The Sang Lee tournement is being held in NY again this year. Maybe someone can get Efren to enter and we can see what he can do.
bud green said:
Who exactly are you disagreeing with? I also said in a long race Blomdahl or Sayginer would beat him at 3C, but in a race to 30? I'm pretty sure Efren has a chance even though he'll lose more often than win. Torbjorn started has cue-experience with pool. I'd say if he took it up full-time he would be able to be in the IPT, hence top 150 of the world. I had the pleasure of seeing Semih Sayginer play pool for about an hour. His break is kinda weak, but he runs tables for fun, probably in the long run Torbjorn would be a little stronger. Both of these guys imo are forces to be reckoned with, espescially Blomdahl since he's playing pool regularly now. He was beaten by Niels Feijen 9-7, beat Gijs van Helmond (Straight pool WC qualifier) 9-3. Where did you hear about Blomdahl saying he is shortstop speed?
gr. Dave
i'm not talking hypothetical etc etc. the match between reyes/sayginer/blomdahl took place years ago. it was an exhibition. blomdahl. in fact, has not only won a european 9ball championship, he also plays snooker.
that is not my question. anyway, just found out that in that exhibition match, blomdahl beat reyes in both 9ball and 3c. he had poor 3c game, and still beat reyes 50-35. blomdahl said reyes is good(one of the better players at carom cafe averages 1), but he doesn't really understand the game. i don't think reyes could ever beat a top level 3c player unless the stars were aligned. nothing against reyes,,,,,,he just doesn't play enough. still, he's simply the best there is.
that is not my question. anyway, just found out that in that exhibition match, blomdahl beat reyes in both 9ball and 3c. he had poor 3c game, and still beat reyes 50-35. blomdahl said reyes is good(one of the better players at carom cafe averages 1), but he doesn't really understand the game. i don't think reyes could ever beat a top level 3c player unless the stars were aligned. nothing against reyes,,,,,,he just doesn't play enough. still, he's simply the best there is.
sjm said:
someone posted several months ago that he was impressed watching reyes run a few 20's in balkline. the top players run in the 100's and caudron has run 300(game) at least a few times but i don't know the exact stats on this.
i think 20's is too low for efren, but i don't think he can group the balls like the others can. he probably plays on instinct. i can't see efren running 100.
In the last 18.2 (they call it 47/2) balkline world championship, Caudron ran 300 and out in his last three matches and finished with a record average of 126.7 (for the winner). For details, seebruin70 said:
http://www.kozoom.com/index2.php?menu=3&player=280&organisation=504
which is in French but is not that hard to figure out. In the same tournament, Rafael Garcia had a higher average but finished 3rd. A DVD is available of the semifinals and finals of that tournament from Kozoom or www.i-billiard.nl
I believe back in '97-98, Efren had an exhibition in Japan with Bloomdahl.bruin70 said:
Efren got drilled in 3-c but won the straight-rail match.
There is no way Bloomdahl beat Efren in 9-ball.
JoeyInCali said:
Why not? I included a link to show Torbjorn results in the PTL in Holland, he hasn't played very much this year, but next year he'll be joining at least one additional meeting which can be up to three matches. If he can beat Gijs van Helmond, and keep up with Niels Feijen, I think he can beat (and not to upset bruin70, probably has) Efren at nine ball. I would make him a 7-1 outsider in a race to 9.
http://www.proteamleague.nl/profile.asp?spelerid=180&spelernaam=Torbjörn Blomdahl
JoeyInCali said:
Sorry Joey - you know I'm a HUGE Efren fan (check the avatar), but I have the tape where Blomdahl beats Efren in a 9 ball exhibition. My Japanese friend let me borrow the tape; it shows Efren doing some trick shots and then he races Blomdahl to 9; final score was 9-3 I think. Blomdahl makes a ball on almost every break and just keeps running out. In the post match interview Efren states that the table had big pockets and was easy to run out on as long as you could make a ball on the break.
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I don't think Reyes can play in all those tours. There is enough 9 ball and 8 ball for him in a year. So 3C, 14.1 and others are just not in Reyes's calendar. If he is capable of beating everybody, then you will see him competing every week, but he knows there others who better than him in other pool diciplines. The only way you could see him play those are in exhibition games.
Very interesting stuff!
Jus so we are all on the same page- does everyone agree- Efren/ Blomdahl/ Sayginer...all BAD AZZ MUFUGERS!?
Jus so we are all on the same page- does everyone agree- Efren/ Blomdahl/ Sayginer...all BAD AZZ MUFUGERS!?
JoeyInCali said:
yes he did......my friend has the tape. don't forget, blomdahl won a european championship in 9ball, and plays/played snooker. no slight on efren, bud, cuz i think he's tops. but the idea that he actually beat blomdahl in 3c is unfathomable. 3c is a whole different ball o' wax.
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Efren & Balkline
I just watched an Accu-Stats tape the other day where Efren was playing straight pool and the commentators said that in the Phillipines that they eventually banned Efren from playing in the balkline tournaments because he won it so many times. (I think that they said it was straight-line?).
They also said that his average was 40 (stating that an average like that was very impressive)...and that after he was banned from the tournaments that he would challenge whoever won the tournament to a race to 500 and spot them 100 points.
I just watched an Accu-Stats tape the other day where Efren was playing straight pool and the commentators said that in the Phillipines that they eventually banned Efren from playing in the balkline tournaments because he won it so many times. (I think that they said it was straight-line?).
They also said that his average was 40 (stating that an average like that was very impressive)...and that after he was banned from the tournaments that he would challenge whoever won the tournament to a race to 500 and spot them 100 points.
My bad. Now, I'm really impressed by Bloomdahl.nibrobus said:
Not that I wasn't impressed before. I saw him in Vegas 3 years ago and his 3-c game is out of this world.
Efren was the Karambola King in the islands back then.Get_A_Grip said:
Straight-rail only.
Almost certainly straight rail, but I could be wrong. Straight rail and balkline are very different games. Someone who averages 20 at balkline can probably run 10,000 at straight rail, given some incentive.Get_A_Grip said:
Anyone interested in seeing what can be done at carom billiards should get Frederic Caudron's DVD set "Master of Billiards" (or "Le Virtuose de Billard") at http://www.i-billiard.nl/products_online_en.html
On that 2-DVD set, he shows how to play straight rail, at least 3 kinds of balkline, cushion caroms (you might call it "one cushion billiards"), and 3-cushion. I think he runs at least 100 at each (except 3-C), and at straight rail he gets the balls on the cushion and takes them around the table a couple of times. He shoots very, very quickly, and he gives commentary (in English) on why he's taking certain shots and how he's playing them.
The DVD set is also available from Kozoom, but their shipping was more when I checked into it.
If you think you have ever seen a pool player with good control of the balls, I think you will change your mind when you see Caudron play balkline.