Rip-off is official..beware Yuri_b17 and Tim_hong

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Well, as anticipated, I have just been hit by the claims of unauthorized transactions by Yuri_b17, aka, Tim_hong.

(See AZB thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=112945 )

#1 payment:
Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID #9MT61085F3689474U)
This transaction has been reversed
For further details please see transaction 6Y5660261X464850C
Sent by: Bayanin Yuri
Buyer Email: yuri_b17@yahoo.com

#2 Payment:
(Unique Transaction ID #6N933977LN7803024)
Sent by: Lam Yumi
Buyer Email: yumilam76@gmail.com


I now understand how he does it. First, he pays a nominal amount out of his real account. The rest, he pays out of another account. Then, he iniates a claim with Paypal on the small clain. I can prove that I shipped the cue to him on it, but he only paid $16 through that account.

Next, after he files that claim and is possibly denied on it, he files the second claim on the item, which he paid from the second account, in this case, $249.

Since the first claim will have been iniated and possibly satisfied, then I can't prove to Paypal that a shipment went to that address.

It is a real shame, but I will at least file a claim with the Hong Kong cyber crime unit. Fortunately, my daughter-in-law is from Hong Kong, and her father will help me with it. I may never receive my money back, but at least I can make the authorities aware of the on-going crime.

Everyone, please beware. No more "Mr. Nice-guy".

Joe
 
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I got burned over 30 days after getting the PayPal notice that the money was in my account. It was reversed and taken out after a claim was filed.
Live and learn ... take the money out as soon as it gets into your account.
DO NOT LEAVE MONEY SETTING IN A PAYPAL ACCOUNT.
 
Everyone who was ripped off or feels that they will be ripped off on shipments to Hong Kong, or if you were approached by an individual who tried to enter into these split payment transactions, PLEASE POST ALL NAMES AND AZB ID's that you can remember.

Please do not feel that if you don't say anything, maybe they won't rip you off. They are going to file a reversal claim!! You are going to be screwed!!

Hopefully, we can at least figure out the screen names they are using.

Joe
 
Sorry your having a problem Joe. Your a great guy to work with and I hope it works out for you soon . Jeff
 
damn that sucks sorry to hear that joe. he makes all hong kong ppl look bad now...for anyone reading this just know that we're not all like tim.
 
Bama,

I'm sorry you have to deal with this scum bag....Your one of the most honest thorough sellers on this board, and it sucks to have to read these posts.....I hope your made whole..

Dale
 
hawk4863 said:
Sorry your having a problem Joe. Your a great guy to work with and I hope it works out for you soon . Jeff
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No biggie. It won't work out. My money is gone, but I went against my gut feeling, so I learned a lesson.

After 35 years of Federal Service, I have learned to pursue things like this to the end. I WILL notify the Hong Kong authorities, even if nothing ever comes of it.

Joe
 
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Sorry to hear that news Joe!

Hey Joe,

Perhaps we could get the powers that be to make a sticky that woud list these types of transactions to make it easy for someone to discern who or, not to do business with overseas!?

I've done buisness with a handful of folks in Singapore and Taiwan plus Europe too.....but, it is not like doing business here in the states for sure.

Sorry Joe! You are one of the (if not the BEST) truly, exceptional Sellers here on AZ -- so I really hate to see this happen to you or, actually anyone else for that matter!

Best to you and yours,

Ken :sorry:
 
Sorry to hear the bad news Joe.
But at least you have some good info to give the authorities. Maybe he thought he was untouchable since he was in Hong-Kong and was stupid enough to give you his real address.
Good luck.
Joe
 
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I stopped using PP long ago. Example: I would sell a cue for $4500 and PP would guarentee the sale up to $2000. What they don't say is they still take commission on the entire $4500.

PP is nice in theory but the seller is very vulnerable in many ways. (and you usually find out the hard way during the learning curve)

EBAY and PP have many challenges they are trying to overcome. Whenever I get a price increase from Ebay, they usually have a way to minimize it by leaning my option more to "Buy it Now" rather than "auction". Thier fraud dept works overtime to maintain some sort of security and it will only get worse.

EBAY reminds me of "Thunderdome". An environment that has as many people hiding behind corners and shadows as they do legit members.

my $0.02 cents

greg libby
(man or myth)

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Joe,
I am so sorry this happened to you.

Do everything you can to nail these bastards.

-von
 
I was approached by the same person to buy several of my items. As soon I asked for a wire transfer or a International money order I never heard back. I was told he was going in on it as a package deal with a couple of partners and he wanted to send me 3 paypal payments. When he said that I knew it was a fishy deal.
 
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I was also approached and stood firm on wire transfer since buyer had no history. Sorry to hear you got swindled Joe.

Martin



KOINNKID said:
I was approached by the same person to buy several of my items. As soon i asked for a wire transfer or a International money order I never heard back. I was told he was going in on it as a package deal with a couple of partners and he wanted to send me 3 paypal payments. When he said that I knew it was a fishy deal.
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Well, I remember someone had a post and wondered "Why won't people ship internationally."

The crime is out of our jurisdiction. If the guy was in the states, you bet I would fly from LA to NY to kick his ass.

Can't believe such a thing has happened to Joe, one of the best on AZB.

Well, we ban him for sure.
 
It's official. I'm no longer using PayPal as a buyer or seller...and I'm not doing international business. I just refuse. I'm sorry if that limits my ability to move around a little bit...but it has to be. I refuse to be a part of this. I'm so sorry this happened to you Joe. You're a stand up guy. I'm only accepting money orders from now on...and I'll ship when they cash. If someone internationally wants to do business with me...I'm going to require an escrow service be used at the very least. I'm still leaning towards not doing it at all. I apologize in advance for all the wonderful people out there that live abroad.
 
This absolutely unfortunate thing to happen. But i am sure even if he has one original paypal account he can surely be caught.I thiink that this should be pursued further untill this person is caught.

I would also like to request other honest az'ers from honkong to come forward in helping catch this scumbag.

There are a lot of honest az'ers not living in united states, I sincerly hope that they dont miss business because of a scumbag's actions.

I am sorry about yor loss bama, dont spare this guy.

For any transactions arising out thailand i can act as an escrow free of charge or also gobrian77 lives here.

Thanks
 
This isn`t fair you know.Why this scum be the example for ``international shipping``? I am sure that we can find a way to see who is good and who`s not.I don`t know but something smells bad here.This guy made a lot of tries to rip of people.I think that he resells the cues or something like that.Hope to find him...what an a"&hole.Want to put the cue in his a!#.With the shaft on.Butt first....good luck
 
Retail1LO said:
It's official. I'm no longer using PayPal as a buyer or seller...and I'm not doing international business. I just refuse. I'm sorry if that limits my ability to move around a little bit...but it has to be. I refuse to be a part of this. I'm so sorry this happened to you Joe. You're a stand up guy. I'm only accepting money orders from now on...and I'll ship when they cash. If someone internationally wants to do business with me...I'm going to require an escrow service be used at the very least. I'm still leaning towards not doing it at all. I apologize in advance for all the wonderful people out there that live abroad.
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As for money orders, there have been a string of foreign money orders that came up as fakes as well (has happened too often). It takes 3-4 weeks before your bank will not be able to collect the funds through the originator at which point they do deduct the funds from your account for fake money orders.
The USPS money orders are the best way to go where you can at least have the postal teller cash them immediately after you receive them in the mail prior to your shipping the cue.

As to whether it is via escrow or not, they can get screwed as well if the funds are not directly wired. So the best way for these internation sales may be with direct transfer to accounts unless someone knows of a way a scammer can reverse the funds.

TNX - myron
 
My recommendation for all is if you are going to do some international deals, all parties need to have a list of known references ready. Buyers should be willing to supply them and sellers should ask for them. As for payment, wire transfer.

Sorry to hear about this, Joe.....hope they get the SOB.
 
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