Two have iirc, Appleton and Peach.
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Rodeny Morris Beats the 13 ball Ghost usng CTE
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Two have iirc, Appleton and Peach.
Appleton said clearly that he is NOT a snooker player. Peach is also NOT a snooker player. Appleton said he dabbled in it. Peach didn't make dent in the pro ranks as far as I remember it.
Appleton also uses a system to aim and endorses the SEE system, for which he does get paid. I guess that automatically invalidates the system in your opinion?
Another guy who is not a snooker player also won the pool world championships - Alex Pagulayan - plays pool 99% of the time but takes time off each year to win the Canadian Snooker Championships.
Guy who WAS a snooker pro in the top 32 just had the highest two scores at the DCC 14.1 challenge. Stuart Pettman. But when it came time for competition he didn't easily beat the pool players. Now according to you and Thaiger a top 32 snooker pro ought to just absolutely wipe the floor with any pro pool player at any pool game. But surprisingly that is not what happens.
Yes they are accurate shooters. Yes their form looks great. But no, they don't dominate because the pool games require far more than simply accurate shooting. You have to be accurate in the right way. But all this is academic because there is no way on earth you can tell me that a player who lines up and shoots with a perfect stroke isn't doing what they are supposed to do regardless of their game of choice.
You always make the point that all the great players used Ghost Ball and didn't need CTE. And now you want to bring snooker into it. The point is that you don't really KNOW what all these players use to aim, you don't know what goes through their minds unless they told you. And you have no clue if their great performances could have been better with a better way to aim. None of us can know that.
What we do know is that NOW there are better ways to aim than Ghost Ball and NOW some players are adopting those way and thus in the future we will be able to look back and compare performance and see if it makes any difference.
And obviously, to Rodney Morris, it's making a personal difference right now.
Relax Francis.
Don't sweat it JoeyGonzo. Ghost Ball doesn't need you.
I thought Rodney said he used GB ( or a variance of it ) but don't anymore b/c he was shown a better way?
By his description the imaginary ball BEHIND the object ball.
But, he doesn't use it anymore b/c he was shown a better way.
If I read that wrong, someone correct me please.
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You read it right. The remark was in reply to a fan's asking about what Ghost Ball is.
Rodney did NOT say that he used GB in any particular tournament or for any particular period of time only that he does not use it now because, in his words, "I was shown a better way to aim."
http://9ballpool.co.uk/interviews/daryl_peach_240604.html
Daryl says he was a snooker pro player before being introduce to american pool by his friend.
+ Karl Boyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4y196iqUUs
Minute 14:10.
Darren says he first started off as a snooker player.
But he was never a snooker pro, and he even admitted that he couldn't hang with them. Like most pool players, Darren is obviously not going to suck at snooker, but I would never take him in the match against an established pro.
The same way I would never take a snooker pro in a long set of a rotation game against someone like Shane.
Yeah, he was ranked in the 100+. Maybe one can learn from him how he won his trophy.
Peach was a professional snooker player. Surely him being unable to "make a dent in the pro ranks" hurts your argument rather than helps it?
You are right, but you're missing the point with this speculating about who would beat who at what game.
The fact is that UK pool pro's who now play American pool exclusively have excellent fundamentals and cue very straight. A bit straighter and cleaner than their peers in most cases. Not by a vast amount but enough to be noticeable, especially at highest levels. How else would one explain their success?
They have vast experience of playing and practicing countless of hours of either snooker or UK 8ball (sometimes both) at a very high level. Of course they needed time to adapt fully to completely different conditions of American pool. You don't simply walk into another cue discipline and expect top results...not going to happen, even with excellent technique. Hard work and practice is still required, lots of it.
With excellent reliable fundamentals you can aim any way you prefer. It will work. With fundamentals that are either poor or too difficult to repeat, nothing will work, at least not with any consistency.
Plenty of intermediate players think that they stroke straight and smooth and that they have repeatable shot routine and that they do not move on the shot...etc...but the reality is vastly different.
No, he simply wasn't a very good snooker player as a pro hovering around the top 200.
He won the World Championships as a POOL player after having invested 10 years into playing pool.
The point is that despite pro snookers players playing in pool events like the IPT and the world championships no male snooker player has ever won a world championship in pool.
Tony Drago has won a few events though. But his style is not entirely classic snooker either.
And of course Allison Fisher, Karen Corr and Kelly Fisher all certain show that a snooker player can dominate. But they dominated when the level of play in the women's ranks was much lower than it is now.
For the men though the level has always been super high on the pool side. So it would not be as easy for the world's #1 male snooker player to win men's professional pool tournaments as it was for Allison and Karen to win the women's events.
Daryl Peach did win the world's not because of his background in snooker. He won because he had a great event and played fantastic. If Ronnie O'Sullivan had played in the same event he might not have made the top 16.
And anyway my point is that at the VERY top whether it's a pool player or a snooker player when they get down on the ball their aim is usually dead on AND their stroke is straight through the cue ball.
I would never want to hold up Alex Higgins' form and ability in 9 ball based on this first rack as something for anyone to want to emulate.
" 7. Who, in your opinion, was the greatest ever to pick up a cue (snooker, pool, whatever)?
Snooker: Ronnie O'Sullivan
Pool: Efren Reyes
Overall: Efren because I saw him play Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan 6 years ago, at snooker best of 5 for �100 each if I remember rightly: he beat both of them with his pool cue, and he made 3 centuries!! Now that's special. " - Daryl Peach
Did you bother to listen to the interview?
He played around with snooker like Travis Trotter playing with his brother and dad until he was 15 and asked to play in pool league.
At 17 he was playing in six leagues.
Maybe we should be talking about the benefits of pool leagues instead since a league player won the World Championships.
"I think pool is more skillful, more shots involved......" Darren Appleton.
Here is the thing.
If you pool players think that it's better to play pool with the same type of stance and aiming methods in snooker then nothing is stopping you from adopting them. I am not going to sit here and say that those methods don't work because obviously they do. As long as you can get down on the right line and deliver the cue ball accurately it doesn't matter what your stance looks like.
There are plenty of videos on YouTube teaching snooker. From the stance to advanced techniques. Unlike a lot of people I say to you go and try anything that interests you. You can't hurt yourself by trying to adopt snooker fundamentals, if they work for you then great, if they don't then try something else.
If you pool players think that it's better to play pool with the same type of stance and aiming methods in snooker then nothing is stopping you from adopting them. I am not going to sit here and say that those methods don't work because obviously they do. As long as you can get down on the right line and deliver the cue ball accurately it doesn't matter what your stance looks like.
There are plenty of videos on YouTube teaching snooker. From the stance to advanced techniques. Unlike a lot of people I say to you go and try anything that interests you. You can't hurt yourself by trying to adopt snooker fundamentals, if they work for you then great, if they don't then try something else.