Rodeny Morris Beats the 13 ball Ghost usng CTE
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The thing is they were from snooker background. Don't go changing the topic.
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So when someone says they started out with carom checkers then we should say that their carom checkers form is responsible for their success twenty years later?
And I didn't say that they didn't have a snooker background. Go up and read what I actually wrote.
Snooker player as used by me refers to professional snooker player. Yes, Daryl was a pro snooker player who didn't make a dent and quit to play pool. He was a ten year pool player when he FINALLY had a good event and won the World Championship. And what has he done on the world stage since then?
If Darren never took snooker seriously and didn't compete at it then he was not a snooker player but instead a kid who played snooker.
So no, you don't get to claim Darren as a snooker player who won the worlds. And I will give you half points for Daryl since he was a FORMER very low ranked snooker pro. 173 I think he said and making no money.
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Two such great player and he can't remember rightly.
He said IF I remember correctly not that he doesn't. People often say this if they are not 100% sure of something. Are you always 100% sure of everything or do you check it with google first.
Anyway the story was also verified by others, if I remember correctly. Efren wasn't betting a lot but he still won. Efren himself said that if they had been playing seriously that he didn't think he could win and that he certainly couldn't make it on tour, again if I remember correctly.
Anyone else want to take this thread off in more directions away from the story about Rodney Morris beating the 15 ball ghost using CTE/ProOne?
Nothing you say will diminish that fact.
TheThaiger
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As a pro pool player said to me once, 'we'd all be playing snooker if we were good enough'.
TheThaiger
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Sorry, John, but it was you who started with the snooker thing (whilst blaming others for it lol).
Anyway to prove your claimed?
"9 years actually! As you probably know, I was a pro snooker player but wasn't earning enough money even though I had reached 173 in the world. Then a friend of mine introduced me to 9-ball, and the first 3 ranking tournaments I entered I won! This encouraged me to give up snooker and take pool seriously because I knew I had a talent for this game". Daryl Peach.
Why? Because you say so?
One more time you obviously didn't listen to the interview. Darren said he DINKED around with snooker like most kids in the UK and played with his dad and brother. He said at 15 he was asked to play in a POOL league and at 17 he was playing in six pool leagues.
I guess by that token any Snooker pro who ever played a little pub pool as a kid should be considered to be a pool player for their whole life?
Yes because your reference was obviously again to say that Rodney's fundamentals are no good because they are not snooker fundamentals.
I merely pointed out that no snooker pro has ever won the World Championships and in fact that is 100% true.
You mean British pool? Small table with balls size of a snooker balls and cue ball much smaller?
True. But when the male snooker pros step down to play pool they aren't able to dominate it.
I will grant you that a pro pool player can't step into pro snooker as easily as a pro snooker player could step into pool. And I will grant you that this is because Snooker players are more accurate so they simply will miss less on the long difficult pots. But potting accurately isn't everything in pool.
Efren uses the rails constantly to get shape and his pots count just as much as a snooker player's ultra clean one which don't give him the good shape on the next ball.
It could be since Darren didn't specify. But in case you don't know they have had plenty of American pool tables and American pool leagues and tournaments since the mid-90s.
But what's your point? The tables are easy, I have played on them. Some of the rules are crap with all the two shots in a row and tying up balls but the tables are not hard to run out on. You seem to want to imply that they are as hard as a snooker table and that is not true at all.
Let's not forget that Shane just SPANKED Darren handily on the Pool Table a month or so ago in the TAR match. I mean since we are doing all this comparison stuff..... it can go around and around and around.
Here, let's just do this, I am pretty sure that Shane can get backed for say $50,000 and is willing to play a TAR ten ball match on 4.125" pockets. That pocket is HUGE for a snooker pro. You get any of the top ten snooker players to play Shane and I confident they have action. And I totally concede that Shane has NO CHANCE at snooker. None. NO spot big enough. So let the best snooker player come over and pick up the easy $50,000 from the helpless pool player.
I bet Rodney can get staked for a good amount as well. Let's see how his newly acquired CTE/ProOne skills hold up in a race to 100 on the tight TAR table. (Well tight for a pool player, buckets for a snooker player)
Rodney? for a good amount? Interesting.
Btw, do you think Rodney will win this year World 9 ball with his new skill?
About as much as I think Shane, Dennis, Busty, Darren, Wu, Alcano, Alex, Yang, Fu, Niels, Mika, or any other top pro will win it. Whoever has a good event, plays well and gets lucky rolls will win just like every year.
TheThaiger
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Rodney's fundamentals are poor for a pool player. I wouldn't even dignify comparing them to a snooker pro's.
Sorry, but that is not 100% true. IIRC Appleton, Peach & Melling have had a snooker world ranking at some stage in their careers, and Drago still plays both. I don't know about Boyes.
TheThaiger
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English pool tables are far from easy, and it is difficult to run out on if the balls aren't out in the open. Potting balls down cushions is every bit as difficult as it is snooker - far more so, in fact.
I actually think snooker is the easiest game of the three *IF* you have monstrous fundamentals.
Pocket size is not an issue for snooker players - it is the size of the ball that is the problem. Cue size, too. But the real problem is snooker players see pool as a game for girls.
TheThaiger
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If potting balls isn't everything in pool, why do you lot bang on and on about aiming systems? Shouldn't you be more concerned with learning positional play instead?
You know, NOBODY in the snooker world mentions aiming systems. NOBODY. Why, when aiming in snooker is exponentially more difficult than aiming in pool, does nobody care about it?
Why is that? The answer is simple; aiming systems are cultural. They are not necessary, they are cultural.
You are SO WRONG. How many times do I have to show you the you tube videos of people teaching aiming in snooker. Of course they mention aiming systems, Back of Ball, Ghost Ball/Dummy Ball, Fractional Aiming and Contact Point Aiming are four methods taught through videos on YouTube by snookers pros and snooker instructors.
Why do I "go on" about aiming if potting isn't everything? Because in order to even have a chance to pot balls consistently the FIRST THING one has to do is aim correctly. Then the SECOND thing one must do is execute correctly.
If your aiming is off, sometimes right, sometimes not, it doesn't matter how great your stance is, you are standing in the WRONG place. It doesn't matter how great your stroke is, you are stroking along the WRONG line.
Why do pro snooker players miss balls? Tell me the reasons why you think a top ten snooker player misses a shot? Lets leave amateur players out it.
Appleton had no such ranking. He stated VERY clearly that he didn't bother to compete or try to compete at snooker. Does anybody but me actually go to linked references and read/watch/listen to them?
Peach was NOT ranked as a snooker pro when he won the 9 Ball World Championships, he was 9/10 years removed from the career 173 ranking had.
Melling has not won any world championship yet. Nor has Drago. Nor has Boyes. All very good players, all very beatable by pure pool professionals who have had no background in either English Pool or Snooker.
Since this thread is about Rodney and since you want to knock his fundamentals.
In the last major IPT 8 Ball event in 2006 the first prize was $500,000.
Who won? Who was second? Efren Reyes and Rodney Morris. Guess they both just got lucky.
They are easy. No matter what table you play on you adapt to conditions. English pool tables are easy to play on.
Yeah, ok. So pool players with their poor fundamentals are beating ex-snooker pros with their semi-monster fundamentals at the, in your opinion, tougher game of pool. Gotcha.
Yeah, right ok. So the snooker gods with their mighty fundamentals can't easily adapt to bigger targets? As for it being a game for girls, well, I doubt that highly. Steve Davis has a tremendous amount of respect for pool and I assume most snooker players also respect pool as well. Pros seem to recognize the difficulty and nuance a lot more than amateurs do.
I have long said that Ronnie O'Sullivan with a month's solid practice and proper coaching could easily become a top one pocket player. Top cueists are top cueists. They might not be familiar with the equipment or the rules but they certainly are familiar with how to make and move balls. I have no doubt that if Shane Van Boeing turned his mighty work ethic towards snooker that he could also be a top 100 snooker pro maybe higher. Of course you will dispute this and the point is moot because it's not going to happen that any top pool player is going to turn towards snooker when they are at the top in pool. Just my opinion as your is yours, meaningless.