Rodeny Morris Beats the 13 ball Ghost usng CTE

[JB Cases]

Snooker Aiming -
Aiming Instruction in Snooker -

Fractional Aiming -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3NOn-A9Bs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLjSlHr38dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxDQB5enB4g Complete with nifty gadget to compute the aim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vqnQTRlyfY

Line of Aim - FEEL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8UE0j0A21c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WActC0bJ55k - this one he advocates doing what a 9 ball player would do.



HERESY!!! Potting without the Dummy (Ghost) Ball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQM5lFkeYl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjCnZSVjBrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18didHSIBE

Aiming Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kHZCC922Fbk Gee it does seem that aiming seems important to this coach.

Aiming not important? Steve Davis thinks otherwise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNLGgfrNavg

A comment on this video:
"I purchased this sightright board on the strength of this video as I have major problems seeing the centre. On a good day I can knock in 50. On a bad day, I'm putting side on the ball and can't knock in 10. I have astigmatism. So when I look down the line, I see a 'V'. So where does that leave me? Ps I'm a big Davis fan, but mr nugget, what do you do if you have 2 focal points?"

A computer program to aid in aiming at snooker (works for pool as well):
http://www.onekaraoke.com/spac/spac.asp - apparently this person doesn't think aming is easy.
Free version - courtesty of Wei Chao www.cuetable.com go to Aiming Calculator

Snooker Fundamentals: For those who wish to stand like a snooker player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aor1dnndksU&list=PLCD4054E9915362E0

Surprise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-0n4NjNWEk

 

[icem3n]

You know what makes players great? Putting in 20 hours a day the right way. Does not matter what aiming method you use. Put in the hours with it and you will realize one of two things, it works and you should keep using it, it doesn't work and you should figure out another way. Players who put in the time the right way see the results.

:clapping:

What would you say if Steve Davis and Stan hooked up and Steve came away with the opinion that the method is valid and works for snooker as well?

Don't worry about that John. You just do a CTE video on a 12' snooker table. That would be valid enough for everyone here.

 

[JB Cases]

:clapping:


Don't worry about that John. You just do a CTE video on a 12' snooker table. That would be valid enough for everyone here.

And if I do what will that prove to you? Will you then apologize to me? Or admit that CTE works?

How about YOU do a video first and whatever shots you can make on a snooker table I will do the same ones with CTE? Let's see what you can do first and then see if I can match it.

 

[frazz]

Both have different difficulty levels but i believe snooker is harder having played both at a high level.

 

[icem3n]

And if I do what will that prove to you? Will you then apologize to me? Or admit that CTE works?

How about YOU do a video first and whatever shots you can make on a snooker table I will do the same ones with CTE? Let's see what you can do first and then see if I can match it.

I already got a video from Stan long time ago. It is tougher for me (maybe only me) to use it on the snooker table. Plus I haven't touch me cue for months now (not lying).

Why shouldn't I apologise? :wink:

 

[icem3n]

Both have different difficulty levels but i believe snooker is harder having played both at a high level.

Where is your location? Maybe I would like to have a game with you in the near future after I oiled up my rusty skill. 9 ball only, I don't think my snooker is on par to your level.

 

[icem3n]

Why do you think cte may not work on a 12' snooker tale?

See post 145.

 

[JB Cases]

Both have different difficulty levels but i believe snooker is harder having played both at a high level.

Snooker is harder. Bigger table smaller balls smaller pockets rounded corners. Absolutely a harder game overall.

But not necessarily as much of a gap as people make it out to be. Another way to look at it is that the best snooker player in the world is not better than the best pool player in the world AT POOL. Of course he is much better than the pool player AT SNOOKER.

 

[JB Cases]

I already got a video from Stan long time ago. It is tougher for me (maybe only me) to use it on the snooker table. Plus I haven't touch me cue for months now (not lying).

Why shouldn't I apologise? :wink:

So you use CTE/ProOne? For me the only thing tougher is getting used to the perception due to distance.

And of course aiming is one thing cueing is another. We all know my cueing sucks.

I'd much rather see Stan or Gerry do a video on a snooker table.

 

[icem3n]

So you use CTE/ProOne?

No, I do not use CTE/ProOne. Infact CTE/ProOne can be simplified and still work. Both version works on a snooker table. But both got it own flaws. I do not use them as I prefer walking into a shot death centre on the c/b.

I uses my own aiming system only when tough shot arises. Other than that all shots are just natural.

 

[JB Cases]

No, I do not use CTE/ProOne. Infact CTE/ProOne can be simplified and still work. Both version works on a snooker table. But both got it own flaws. I do not use them as I prefer walking into a shot death centre on the c/b.

I uses my own aiming system only when tough shot arises. Other than that all shots are just natural.

So what is it exactly that you want? You know it works, you know it works on a snooker table. So I really don't even understand why you are in this conversation?

 

[JB Cases]

I played a few games of snooker about a week ago using cte/pro1 on all shots. The most difficult part of it was the "game" and not the potting of the balls. I played snooker a bit when I was a kid and haven't played a game since until last week.

If you played a bit as a kid then you are forever a "snooker" player and as such you are universally forbidden from using any but the approved aiming methods.

 

[icem3n]

What has to be simplified and what flaws are you talking about? I can make a video today shooting on a snooker table if i want I also see top snooker pros pass on shots that has a clear path to the pocket but play safe instead.

Don't you think with all the labeling on the o/b is too much?

I just got a 256 processor :grin-square:

 

[sfleinen]

What has to be simplified and what flaws are you talking about? I can make a video today shooting on a snooker table if i want I also see top snooker pros pass on shots that has a clear path to the pocket but play safe instead.

There's more to playing "good" snooker than simply firing at all shots that have an open path to a pocket. This is a problem, as I see it, with most of the aiming system advocacy camp -- that if a ball "has a path to a pocket," that it's pottable and "a done deal."

Just because a ball may indeed be pottable, doesn't mean it's a smart shot. So the snooker pro pots that ball. Now what? There may be no other good shot on the table, even with the best cue ball control (the lay of the balls may be completely fubar'ed). Taking that shot because "that single ball has a path to a pocket" is a clear indication of tunnel vision -- and an example of what I'm referring to when I say that some aiming system devotees place too much emphasis on aiming the shot, and not enough emphasis on the other aspects of good play.

Sometimes (or many times?) when a snooker pro eschews a shot that has a path to a pocket, it may be because the safety (a snooker) is the smarter choice. And this is not just snooker, btw, either -- it applies to pool and other cue sports.

-Sean

 

[SakuJack]

I just don't understand why it's so easy for amateurs to spout off about what professionals can and cannot do.

Christ. Are you that dense? This is exactly what you've been doing in this thread.

I have a question: if any top pool player could, with a little effort, make the transition to snooker and have success there... then why haven't they? Why haven't any of them?

Stephen Maguire made £50,000 ($75,000) for winning the Welsh Open the other week - the Welsh Open! Last years World Championship paid £250,000 ($380,000) to the winner. And that's before sponsors.

Are you telling me that all of these top pool pros just don't want a piece of that pie?!

Forget the facts, just keep "spouting off about what professionals can and cannot do".

The rest of your post is just pointless woofing (surprise, surprise), which I'm not even going to respond to.

 

[sfleinen]

I am saying that sometimes snooker pro's consider a shot to high risk to shoot even with a clear path to the pocket. The table wins out in snooker no matter what type of aiming method you use.

Sean your posting in aiming threads, this is why the emphasis is on "aiming". I think we all know aiming is only a part of the puzzle to playing great pool.

Ok, I misunderstood you then. I apologize! Initially, I took what you wrote to mean in the same vein as I see a lot of the aiming system advocates post, and that was "oh, the ball has a path to a pocket? Done deal -- aim and shoot." Which you and I both know is foolhardy.

Thanks for the clarification.
-Sean

 

[CJ Wiley]

is it more difficult to "aim" a pool shot or a basketball shot?

I am saying that sometimes snooker pro's consider a shot to high risk to shoot even with a clear path to the pocket. The table wins out in snooker no matter what type of aiming method you use.

Sean your posting in aiming threads, this is why the emphasis is on "aiming". I think we all know aiming is only a part of the puzzle to playing great pool.

I would even put "hitting the cue ball straight" ahead of aiming. I wonder, is it more difficult to "aim" a pool shot or a basketball shot? hmmm.....

 

[CJ Wiley]

Aim at the cue ball, Align to the object ball

hmmm, You used to aim pretty good back in your prime from what I seen on youtube:thumbup:

I played to fast to "aim" at the object ball. Alignment was my secret, I aligned every shot like it was straight in and then created the angle differences with my tip. I aim at the cue ball with my tip.

The object ball's reaction reflects how the cue ball is struck, this connection leads to a "feel for the pocket," which enhances the "touch" for the overall game.

"Aim at the cue ball, Align to the object ball, that's the process recommended." 'The Game it the Teacher'

 

[JB Cases]

Christ. Are you that dense? This is exactly what you've been doing in this thread.

I have a question: if any top pool player could, with a little effort, make the transition to snooker and have success there... then why haven't they? Why haven't any of them?

Stephen Maguire made £50,000 ($75,000) for winning the Welsh Open the other week - the Welsh Open! Last years World Championship paid £250,000 ($380,000) to the winner. And that's before sponsors.

Are you telling me that all of these top pool pros just don't want a piece of that pie?!

Forget the facts, just keep "spouting off about what professionals can and cannot do".

The rest of your post is just pointless woofing (surprise, surprise), which I'm not even going to respond to.

Then don't respond. You cite the amounts for people who have WON events.

I said that with a lot of effort a top pool player could make it INTO the top 100.

GIANT DIFFERENCE.

If you don't think that Johnny Archer has all the same skills that Chris Melling does as a cueist then you are sorely mistaken.

As for wanting a piece of the pie of course every pool player looks at snooker prize money and thinks about it. But what you fail to see is that the pieces get very slim once you get past the top ten.

http://www.prosnookerblog.com/2011/07/25/pocket-money-is-snooker-sustainable-for-all/

So why would a top pro in pool bother to undergo tremendous training in snooker just so he could compete with people who have been, as he had been, playing all their lives? And for what so that he could be middle of the pack and earn less than he earns as a pool professional at the top of pool?

This is a list of earnings in a 2 year period - http://www.worldsnooker.com/staticFiles/a/b9/0,,13165~178442,00.pdf

Why would anyone want to trade their top spot for a middle ranking or worse that pays less? Oh gee let me think? Loss of prestige, loss of accolades, loss of invites.

You think snooker is so much harder and THAT is the reason that a top pool pro can't make it. Nonsense. The reason is the SAME reason that Kelly Fisher or Allison Fisher don't have a reasonable chance to be the number one pool player. And that is simply the number of good players puts the odds against them. They have all the skills but when they get into the men's ranks they find that there are 30-40 guys who have pretty much the same level of skill and a hundred more that are only a ball lower in skill.

There are 100 touring pros in professional snooker with several tours and circuits going on that feed into the main circuit. There are thousands of players actively training to become pro snooker players. They have qualifying schools and tiers just like golf and tennis. So no matter how much skill a top pool player brings to the table they still have to face a tournament full of world beaters in any major snooker event.

And the same thing applies to a snooker player who competes in a pool tournament. No matter WHO he is Ronnie O' Sullivan, Judd Trump etc... when he steps into a world class pool tournament he faces many players who possess all the skills to run out the entire set.

As my good friend in Germany said, mass makes class. The more people actively doing something means that there will be a lot more people doing it at a world class level.

So, again, it is my OPINION, that the world's top pool players possess all the skill and drive they would need to be top 100 snooker players IF they put in the same amount of effort into becoming the best snooker player that they could as they did becoming a top tier pool player. You can have a different opinion. It's ok. I tend to look on the "you can do it" side of life rather than the "You have no chance kill yourself now" side of life.

 

[JB Cases]

I would even put "hitting the cue ball straight" ahead of aiming. I wonder, is it more difficult to "aim" a pool shot or a basketball shot? hmmm.....

Again this speaks to the execution vs. alignment issue. Many of us amateurs can do the drill where you hit a ball up and down or across the table in a straight line. We can do it where it comes back to the tip over and over.

We can train our stroke all day and night and stroke as straight as any pro in practice.

But what good is that stroke if you don't line up right? What good is it if you are perceiving a shot line that is just ever so slightly off most of the time?

I agree with you about making the connection. That's the basis of any of these non-ghost ball methods. I call them ball-to-ball methods. Using the available real-world objects you align to them and make that very real very objective connection. Then if you made the right connection you can use your trained execution skill to fire the shot in.

I want to add something else. You have said many times that for you there are no "hard" shots, they all look the same. When a player learns to aim, with CTE or any other great Ball to Ball method they also don't see shots in terms of difficulty. They are able to take cue ball positions that observers or non-system users would consider to be "tough" but in reality the system user just sees the shot with no illusions and no trepidation. This results in being able to take and make more shots that look tough to the viewers.