Roll or Low Pecentage Shot

Rak9up

Rak9up

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In the tournament last night a friend and a very good player made a great kick and the ball went in. I commented on the nice kick but I was frustrated because the ball happened to go in and made a comment about the lucky roll. He was upset saying he lined up for that shot that it may have been a "low percentage shot" but not a roll.

I define a roll as luck

I said there is a real simple way to see if it was a roll "luck" or not

We'll set up the shot everytime you make it I'll give you $20 if I lose enough money I'll admit it wasn't a roll.

But on the other hand if you go broke trying to make it then you'll finally admit it was a roll.

Actually 10 shots would sufice to prove my point

I'm usually very good about playing through rolls. I know their part of the game, but man it was a long, long uncanny night.

Is my defenition of a "roll" off base from everyone else's?
 
I would consider a "roll" to be someone missing and unintentionally hooking you by say a half a ball thats a bad "roll". Regardless, the man made the shot when it mattered and thats all that does matter. The better you get the less "rolls" or luck will matter. Usually it's the weaker one who has more luck and better rolls because they have less control.
If Skill+Knowledge>Rolls+Luck=Victory :)
 
He who obsesses about rolls has an extra achilles heel.

If the guy converted on a lower % shot, good for him. Let him enjoy his short lived glory and encourage him to continue to shooting those shots.
 
The better you get the less "rolls" or luck will matter.

I agree with that statement

Like the saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure".

One player's skill is another player's luck

Just so I understand it right.....
So if I'm on the far side of the gym and hope to throw a basketball the distance of the gym and have it bounce off Michael Jordans head in into the hoop. If it went in.......
That would be a great low percentage shot and not "luck" or the pool term a roll.
Simply because before the shot I had actually hoped for that outcome.

But if it happened to go off of Barkley's head instead then that would be a roll.

cmon luck is luck wether intentional or not
 
If it was a good shot, and what he wanted for an outcome, then it was not luck. Lets say he's kicking for the 2 ball..to get shape on the three, and the 2 goes in, but the cue goes off another ball and makes the nine...that would be a luck or "good roll" in my opinion. Before I take a tough or low percentage shot, I say outloud (as if I'm talking to myself) "gotta kick the 2, and get shape on that 3 ball". This way...if everything goes perfect, he cant say it was luck or a lucky roll. If I kick the 2, and hit another ball, and still get shape on the 3, I'll be the first to say "man..I got lucky there huh ? ". Everytime another player says I made a lucky shot...I tell them "yea...the more I practice, the luckier I get sir"...lol...they hate that saying. :wink:
 
Rak9up said:
In the tournament last night a friend and a very good player made a great kick and the ball went in. I commented on the nice kick but I was frustrated because the ball happened to go in and made a comment about the lucky roll. He was upset saying he lined up for that shot that it may have been a "low percentage shot" but not a roll.

I define a roll as luck

I said there is a real simple way to see if it was a roll "luck" or not

We'll set up the shot everytime you make it I'll give you $20 if I lose enough money I'll admit it wasn't a roll.

But on the other hand if you go broke trying to make it then you'll finally admit it was a roll.

Actually 10 shots would sufice to prove my point

I'm usually very good about playing through rolls. I know their part of the game, but man it was a long, long uncanny night.

Is my defenition of a "roll" off base from everyone else's?
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I'm guessing you lost the match.
 
You don't prove anything if he can't take your money in the proposition you laid out. Just that it was a great shot.

I propose the 10 shot deal when someone tells me I shoud have played a different move. I propose we reset the situation up and they get to play it out the way they think 10 times and I do it my way 10 times and we play out the game and usually I can offer 2-1 that my way will produce more wins. They don't usually go for it.
 
Thanks guys

Thanks guys for the inputs

I will work on not being bothered by the number of "great shots"...like what occured last night.

Yes I lost (set was over for me in 2nd game) the 2 players I played prior had a total of 11 "great shots" prior.

Yes we're friends and competitors would do anything for him I really respect him and his game.

I was just curious about peoples definition of a "roll"

I was always taught that if you can't make a certian shot 80% of the time.
look for a different shot or a safe.

Lets say I have no choice on a shot... you know its a 20% shot
I've always looked at it as... I would have to get a "roll" to win not a "great shot"

Then I would go home practice that shot 10,000 times till I added it to my "repratar" so the next time it came up it was no longer luck but truely a great shot.
 
Rak9up said:

We'll set up the shot everytime you make it I'll give you $20 if I lose enough money I'll admit it wasn't a roll.

But on the other hand if you go broke trying to make it then you'll finally admit it was a roll.

Actually 10 shots would sufice to prove my point
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You have no point. Nothing is more annoying than people without skill offering bets based on other peoples failure instead of their own ability.
Next time congratulate him on a great shot.
 
Just because its the intended shot does'nt mean it can't be a result of luck thats crazy, especially on a kick.

What makes a low percentage shot low percentage? It does not go in the hole most times. Your telling me every time you hit it it is contributed to skill?
 
zy112 said:
Just because its the intended shot does'nt mean it can't be a result of luck thats crazy, especially on a kick.

What makes a low percentage shot low percentage? It does not go in the hole most times. Your telling me every time you hit it it is contributed to skill?
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If you make a very difficult but your intended shot than you executed a low percentage shot. If on the way to the pocket it hits another ball you didn't mean to hit than you got lucky.
 
Wolven said:
If you make a very difficult but your intended shot than you executed a low percentage shot. If on the way to the pocket it hits another ball you didn't mean to hit than you got lucky.
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Ok, I'm going for a three rail kick. I know I can get my CB close to the OB but not positive I will hit it. I shoot the shot, it goes in. Pure luck for me.

Yea, I've hit that shot before and in no way was it completely due to skill. I got it close and counted on a little luck to get it to fall.
 
zy112 said:
Ok, I'm going for a three rail kick. I know I can get my CB close to the OB but not positive I will hit it. I shoot the shot, it goes in. Pure luck for me.

Yea, I've hit that shot before and in no way was it completely due to skill. I got it close and counted on a little luck to get it to fall.
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Perhaps it is luck for you but for someone good at kicks it would not be luck.
So, instead of assuming that the opponent sucks give him benefit of the doubt.
You had the right idea, you couldn't remember exactly but subconsciously you got it right. So, you get credit for right idea and proper execution. Good shoot.

The moment you accept this as part of the game you will sink more balls and you will not get upset when opponent makes a miraculous escape.
 
There is no such thing as a low percentage shot, nor is than any such thing as a high percentage shot. There is only is.
If you want to know was is is, ask Bill Clinton. :p
 
i call what he did a good shot. roll, in my opinion is when something you didnt intend to happen, happens.
 
Rak9up said:
In the tournament last night a friend and a very good player made a great kick and the ball went in. I commented on the nice kick but I was frustrated because the ball happened to go in and made a comment about the lucky roll. He was upset saying he lined up for that shot that it may have been a "low percentage shot" but not a roll.

I define a roll as luck

I said there is a real simple way to see if it was a roll "luck" or not

We'll set up the shot everytime you make it I'll give you $20 if I lose enough money I'll admit it wasn't a roll.

But on the other hand if you go broke trying to make it then you'll finally admit it was a roll.

Actually 10 shots would sufice to prove my point

I'm usually very good about playing through rolls. I know their part of the game, but man it was a long, long uncanny night.

Is my defenition of a "roll" off base from everyone else's?
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IMO if the OB goes in the pocket they want it's a good shot PERIOD. Even if it's a low percentage shot.

Now when they want to bank a ball one rail and they shit it 3 rails or they want to shoot it straight in and shit it two rails then that's a lucky roll...
 
A roll is something both unintended AND unexpected.

Drops a ball in the called pocket but it's a million to 1 shot: unexpected for him to make it. But he intended it. That's not a good roll.

Tries to shoot a ball in the corner when the CB is guaranteed to scratch in the side: unintended for him to scratch in the side. But expected (to anyone with half a brain). That's not a bad roll.
 
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