Ron V aiming system video and diagrams

... with a static bridge and a body pivot....if I HIT the ball, the true pivot point has CHAAAAAAANGED. You can't SHARE a pivot point and have two different outcomes.
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Forget pivot points.

- When you shoot the shot, the stick points from where it rests on your bridge to the "internal" center of the cue ball. The cue ball goes in that direction.

- Your bridge doesn't move.

- The "internal" center of the cue ball doesn't move.

- So your stick points from the same bridge to the same "internal" center of the cue ball. So the cue ball must go in the same direction.

It doesn't matter what you do to get back to that position. When you shoot the ball nothing has changed.

Do I have to draw you a picture?

You guys keep trying to ignore the fact that given that definition, if you ROOOOOTATE from the bridge at 10" you miss the damn ball completely.
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Funny, it seems to me that you're the one forgetting that.

pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
You haven't "stepped" until you actually prove something, Dave.

pj
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It is proved. You'll say it's not and then refuse to meet.

How Mr. Wilson's not banning you is inconceivable.

For someone so smart, you're acting so stupid - how convenient.

Not only did you come over the top with me, you post my PM which was supposed to be between us and make an ass out of me, you tell me to pay or welch, you refuse to meet to square the bet and say prove it online - which i so obviously do, then you say I'm not proving anything.

So tell me mr. pool genius, how come your aren't attempting to prove your end of a $1000 bet and you resort to saying I'm not proving anything?? It's like a little kid say, "Well, NUH UH!!!" If you thought you were right in this bet, you'd be RAAAAAAAAAAMMING the entire AZB forum.

Instead, you're MIA half the time, saying "NUH UH."

It's simple, meet and square and I'll invite some university profs to do a proof for you in person when the money is posted, or you GO AWAY and nit up.

The best you can do is pray for a tie-- and that's with people on your payroll (your proxies).

I hope you learned your lesson, PJ. The members here are too smart for your circle talk. I make too much sense.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Forget pivot points.

- When you shoot the shot, the stick points from where it rests on your bridge to the "internal" center of the cue ball. The cue ball goes in that direction.

- Your bridge doesn't move.

- The "internal" center of the cue ball doesn't move.

- So your stick points from the same bridge to the same "internal" center of the cue ball. So the cue ball must go in the same direction.

It doesn't matter what you do to get back to that position. When you shoot the ball nothing has changed.

Do I have to draw you a picture?

pj
chgo
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The visual center (where the cue is perpendicular to the CB face) does move when the pivot point changes - boy are you dumb. OH NO --- NOT ANOTHER PICTURE!!! THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER NON-PAYING BET!!!!!

You'll NEEEEEEEEVER meet in person because what you just said isn't true and can be disproved on a table.


Once again.... where're the mods on this forum? I'm so getting robbed here. AZB members should be sticking up for me the way they did for the guys who got screwed by Eddie Wheat and such.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
Funny, it seems to me that you're the one forgetting that.

pj
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I'm not ROTATING from that point, which is why I hit the ball/make the ball.

PAY UP. UGGGGGGGGGGH WHHHHHHHHHERE ARE THE MODSSSSSSSS?????
 
The visual center (where the cue is perpendicular to the CB face) does move when the pivot point changes
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No matter where the "visual" center is your stick points at the same "internal" center. And if the bridge doesn't move, then the stick also points at the same "visual" center.

I knew you'd make this mistake - that's why I said "internal" center.

boy are you dumb
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Let's wait a little bit before we decide who deserves that insult.

pj
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And Dave delivers a blow to PJ while screaming..."where's my effin money?"
 

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Patrick Johnson said:
That's why I said "internal" center - no matter where the "visual" center is your stick points at the same "internal" center. And if the bridge doesn't move, then the stick also points at the same "visual" center.

I knew you'd make this mistake - that's why I said "internal" center.



It seems one or the other of us is.

pj
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Watch those animations buddy. The bridge moves... that's the point.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Watch those animations buddy. The bridge moves... that's the point.
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Maybe you should look again. The bridge doesn't move. Even Cleary said so.

RonV also said his bridge doesn't move.

What are you talking about?

pj
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If I don't get paid and/or PJ doesn't get perma-banned........

Let this thread be an example why you can't make internet bets. Everyone reading this thread KNOWS I've been pushing for a face-to-face meeting to resolve this bet in a neutral location and PJ has refused repeatedly.

The bottom line is.......

There's no justice in the internet---- and there's justice in person, there always is.

When someone says THEY'RE NOT MEETING, they are.....

AIR BARRELING
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Maybe you should look again. The bridge doesn't move. Even Cleary said so.

RonV also said his bridge doesn't move.

What are you talking about?

pj
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I meant the cue. You have my head spinning - i cant type right.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Maybe you should look again. The bridge doesn't move. Even Cleary said so.

RonV also said his bridge doesn't move.

What are you talking about?

pj
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He (Spidey) made a typo. Even I knew that he made a mistake after I read this.

I hope this thread lasts at least until the end of the day. This is just some quality internet drama.
 
Forum mods say if nothing was posted - it's no bet.

So, air barreling is allowed here at AZB. I learned a valuable lesson. I hope those reading have as well.

Apparently, everyone in the BAD ACTION thread, really weren't bad action. They never technically made a bet.

NOOOO PROB. This is my last post.

PJ, you're a scared to death, NIT, weak, know-nothing with pool.

Next time you cock-off, cock off with someone your speed who you can out-spin and out-debate. You lost this bet. You got a get outta jail free card from Mr. Wilson.

You better think twice about making another bet with me ever. If you do, and I win, I'm collecting Mr. Cop.
 
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I've been pushing for a face-to-face meeting to resolve this bet in a neutral location and PJ has refused repeatedly.
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When we agree on a way to resolve it we can talk about where and how to do that. I'm not going to pay you because you make some shots. We're betting on how you make the shots, and you haven't suggested any way to prove that.

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SpiderWebComm said:
I meant the cue. You have my head spinning - i cant type right.
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You have your head spinning - you should calm down.

Moving the cue means nothing. If the bridge doesn't move the shot doesn't change.

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OK, we've established that the bridge doesn't move.

And we know that the cue ball doesn't move.

So here's a test:

1. Put the cue ball on a hole reinforcer (the little white sticky donut things) so we know it doesn't move.

2. Use a mechanical bridge taped down to the table so we know the bridge doesn't move.

3. Use a second mechanical bridge (or other fixed rest) taped down to the table for the butt to rest on so we know you don't do something funny with your shot stroke.

4. Shoot the first shot with the cue resting on the two mechanical bridges.

5. (Here's your opportunity) Do whatever you want with the cue in between shots to make your "floating pivot point" change.

6. Shoot the second shot with the cue resting on the same two mechanical bridges.

If the cue ball goes in two significantly different directions you win.

If this isn't a fair test, explain why.

pj
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Will this help?

None of this has anything to do with whether or not this system works. I am really addressing this issue between Spider and Patrick so we can all move on and get to the real issues with this system. So, if I may take a few moments of your time here is my opinion.

Looking in the dictionary a fulcrum is used as an example to describe the word pivot.

Using an analogy and and a simple fulcrum everyone has had experience with lets just look at this from a mechanical and then descriptive perspective.

The see saw is a fulcrum which has a pivot point. Now, if you move that see saw backwards or forwards on the pivot point there is a new pivot point the pivot point has changed or MOVED. So is this not moving the pivot point? Yes, the see saw has a new pivot point but the pivot point moved.

Now lets just apply this to the movement of the cue. Unlike the see saw we usually are not teetering the cue. The pool stroke is usually a linear back and forth motion. We can never associate the word pivot for a linear stroke. We are straight stroke in the 90/90 and straight stroke again for the final stroke. The pivot is a whole seperate thing. Forget the straight stroke on either side of the pivot for a second. When you are doing the pivot if the cue moves backwards hasn't the pivot point changed or moved?

I hope I have explained this well and I do not know how this applies to this bet between Spider and Patrick as I really did not pay all that much attention to the parameters. But in my opinion if the bet was whether the pivot point can or cannot move I would say that it should go to the person that said it could move.:scratchhead:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
OK, we've established that the bridge doesn't move.

And we know that the cue ball doesn't move.

So here's a test:

1. Put the cue ball on a hole reinforcer (the little white sticky donut things) so we know it doesn't move.

2. Use a mechanical bridge taped down to the table so we know the bridge doesn't move.

3. Use a second mechanical bridge (or other fixed rest) taped down to the table for the butt to rest on so we know you don't do something funny with your shot stroke.

4. Shoot the first shot with the cue resting on the two mechanical bridges.

5. (Here's your opportunity) Do whatever you want with the cue in between shots to make your "floating pivot point" change.

6. Shoot the second shot with the cue resting on the same two mechanical bridges.

If the cue ball goes in two significantly different directions you win.

If this isn't a fair test, explain why.

pj
chgo
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You're forgetting stipulations that keep from miscueing or hitting off center.
 
You better think twice about making another bet with me ever. If you do, and I win, I'm collecting Mr. Cop.
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You should think a little more before saying things like this. This is about pool, remember? Don't let your hot head make it more serious than you want it to be.

pj
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