i agree with you, but "voiceofreason" is undermining the 147 and said it is meaningless achievement in match play? truthfully, 147 is extreme high achievement even if one looses his match, they still make $20k, used to be $200k, until they discover that snooker pro players are abusing it, and giving each other easy shots for a chance on the 147 during tournaments so they cut the prize down.
Ronnie O'Sullivan
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i agree with you, but "voiceofreason" is undermining the 147 and said it is meaningless achievement in match play? truthfully, 147 is extreme high achievement even if one looses his match, they still make $20k, used to be $200k, until they discover that snooker pro players are abusing it, and giving each other easy shots for a chance on the 147 during tournaments so they cut the prize down.
He's just saying that it's meaningless in that it doesn't win you the match (unless it's the final frame, of course).
Where as running 150 and out in 14.1 is an amazing achievement, and does result in a win.
A 147 break is impressive, but not as impressive as a player putting together a 7+ pack. Like you mentioned, two players could potentially come to the table multiple times before points are scored in snooker. There could be multiple innings before a maximum break is attempted.
With a 7 pack, that means the player has broke and ran 7 racks without ever leaving the table. That's 7 new games, or "frames" in the Euro world.
I am talking from the extreme high skill required to make high break like this; regardless; let a loan make $20k doing it. IMO running 147 is much harder than a 150 in 14.1 , mainly because you have multiple options and many "large" pockets in 14.1 to choose should you go out of line, true lining up the break shot is tough at times, where as in snooker, you only have one chance after you shoot the red, to make a black and only two pockets to choose from, 1/2 pockets..
Actually if you look at another way a 147 could be easier than many lesser breaks. Because generally in a 147 the cue ball is kept in lower half of the table and only four pockets are used.
High precision is required but the patterns are well known. Then running the colors is fairly routine for pros.
Running a lot of balls in snooker is an accomplishment but don't be impressed by the number 147. That just happens to be the maximum that can be scored. The actual amount of balls made is 36.
That said all 147s are impressive to me even if they are not to Ronnie.
There's a reason that up until a few years ago they used to offer a 1/4 $million for a maximum 
"In competitive play there have only been total of 98 maximum breaks, bearing in mind there were only eight in the whole of the 1980s. Whoever makes the 100th is going to own a special landmark in our sport's history and I'm sure that will come soon."
Some of you really need to get out more.
"In competitive play there have only been total of 98 maximum breaks, bearing in mind there were only eight in the whole of the 1980s. Whoever makes the 100th is going to own a special landmark in our sport's history and I'm sure that will come soon."
Some of you really need to get out more.
JB, red/black/red/black 15 times!! did you try to make the black ball with 30 or 40 degree angle cut? three or 4 times in a row and get position on a red? If you have not, please try it, for an hour and let me know how you come out. Thanks.
There's a reason that up until a few years ago they used to offer a 1/4 $million for a maximum
"In competitive play there have only been total of 98 maximum breaks, bearing in mind there were only eight in the whole of the 1980s. Whoever makes the 100th is going to own a special landmark in our sport's history and I'm sure that will come soon."
Some of you really need to get out more.
Ronnie's 147 last night was the 105th in pro snooker and the 12th of his career.
Mark Selby made the 100th 147 in December.
It really sounds like you're talking from personal experience.
Just because it's tough for you, doesn't mean it's as tough for the top snooker players, and that's evident by the fact that there have been 105 maximum breaks in recorded match play.
Do you know how many 150 and outs, or break and run packages (7 or more) there have been in recorded match play? If you answered, "not 105," then you'd be correct.
Nobody plays 14.1, packages are more to do with the break, ask the ghost.
There are hundreds of tournament snooker matches being played every season through the qualifiers, Pro league, ranking events etc. The standard of the modern players and the amount of play is reflected in the fact that there were only 8 during the 80's (Snookers hayday)
Millions of pounds have been earned on this achievement, twitter and the snooker press is currently a buzz with other pros, pundits, sportsman etc weighing in on Ronnies max and the way he won, seems odd as this is such an easy thing to do dontcha think?.
Rather than try to determine how difficult a 147 is by comparing it to racks run of 10-ball, I have a better idea.
How many has Ronnie O'Sullivan, easily one of the greatest talents of all time, run in his career? Or Hendry, the other player debated as the best of all time?
The answer is only 12, and 11 respectively.
Higgins - 7
Junhui - 5
4 players have 3
12 players have 2
In the history of the game, only 4 players have done it 5 or more times, and a select group has done it twice.
The shot that O'Sullivan played opposite handed, the deep screw back from the tough last red to the black, with perfect shape, it's insane. The cut is difficult enough, and the shape is inch perfect drawing back 8 feet at the perfect angle to miss the pink but still get on the black.
It's fun watching him do the near impossible on a regular basis. I don't know what planet he is from but I'd like to thank their leaders for sending him to Earth for awhile.
How many has Ronnie O'Sullivan, easily one of the greatest talents of all time, run in his career? Or Hendry, the other player debated as the best of all time?
The answer is only 12, and 11 respectively.
Higgins - 7
Junhui - 5
4 players have 3
12 players have 2
In the history of the game, only 4 players have done it 5 or more times, and a select group has done it twice.
The shot that O'Sullivan played opposite handed, the deep screw back from the tough last red to the black, with perfect shape, it's insane. The cut is difficult enough, and the shape is inch perfect drawing back 8 feet at the perfect angle to miss the pink but still get on the black.
It's fun watching him do the near impossible on a regular basis. I don't know what planet he is from but I'd like to thank their leaders for sending him to Earth for awhile.
Well pro pool doesn't have the same level of record keeping but there have probably been not that many 10 packs in pro pool or 9, 8, 7 packs etc...
I think that maximums in snooker are special but they are also conditional. What we don't know is in pro competition how many opportunities are there to score a maximum and of those opportunities how many were failed attempts or making a different choice to retain control of the frame. It seems to me that one could go through ten tournaments and have very few opportunities to go for a 147.
Are there ever high break competitions where the players can arrange a starting shot and try for maximums?
My high run is 142.
Just kidding. But I have played a decent amount of snooker on regulation 6x12s and can regularly make 50 breaks. Yes I have done the red black red black red black and I think I did it four times before getting too far out of line.
nowhere did I say it's easy, I said it MIGHT be easier than clearing the whole table using all the balls because of the fact that the cue ball typically stays in the bottom half of the table and the shots are typically shorter.
but overall I am just making conversation...I don't really care either way. It's obviously an achievement that is celebrated since people win major money and cars for doing it in pro events.
What is the highest 14 -1 break on a 10 x 5 table ?
I believe Stuart Pettman ran a 117, but I think the actual record is higher.
Prolly 309 by Irving Crane, I assume on big ass pockets.
Stuart's was the highest video-recorded run on a 10' table.
"At the moment I am an awful pool player. I have got to get used to heavier balls, different angles from the cushions, things like that.
"Snooker players are perfectionists but in pool you leave yourself with shots you would not dream of taking on the snooker table like potting balls off cushions. There is a diamond system to the table which is simple if you know how to work it. If you don't it isn't.
"That's why snooker players get thrashed by American pool players because it is not as easy as it looks. I think there is more luck involved in pool than snooker but I still think there is a tremendous skill level in pool that goes unseen.
"Once I started playing pool over the last couple of weeks I have realised it is a very difficult game and there is an art to it. If you compare it to snooker, with big holes in pool surely you shouldn't miss but it is not as simple as that. There are a lot more tactics to the game - which I need to learn and that will take time." - Ronnie O'Sullivan
http://www.guffoo.cz/danny/ronnie/index.php?nid=1380&lid=cs&oid=171207
(The analysis of pool is) not as simple as that. I'm glad Mr. O'Sullivan recognizes that, considering he is one of the greatest cueist the world has ever seen. But, you all keep going please. I'm sure you know more than he.
Freddie <~~~ simpleton
"Snooker players are perfectionists but in pool you leave yourself with shots you would not dream of taking on the snooker table like potting balls off cushions. There is a diamond system to the table which is simple if you know how to work it. If you don't it isn't.
"That's why snooker players get thrashed by American pool players because it is not as easy as it looks. I think there is more luck involved in pool than snooker but I still think there is a tremendous skill level in pool that goes unseen.
"Once I started playing pool over the last couple of weeks I have realised it is a very difficult game and there is an art to it. If you compare it to snooker, with big holes in pool surely you shouldn't miss but it is not as simple as that. There are a lot more tactics to the game - which I need to learn and that will take time." - Ronnie O'Sullivan
http://www.guffoo.cz/danny/ronnie/index.php?nid=1380&lid=cs&oid=171207
(The analysis of pool is) not as simple as that. I'm glad Mr. O'Sullivan recognizes that, considering he is one of the greatest cueist the world has ever seen. But, you all keep going please. I'm sure you know more than he.
Freddie <~~~ simpleton
Regular 50's!! you shoot a good stick mister, I will paypal you $50 for the video of.... lets see regular that would mean 2 should be easy yah I will paypal you $50 cold hard USD for a video of 2 x 50's on a regulation 6x12, Oh and throw the balls out wherever the hell you like lol
Please note offer ends midnight December 31, 2018