Rotation Rules?

Fast Lenny

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Can anyone give me the complete rules to rotation?I will give you a thank you and a rep bomb. :wink:
 
FIRST!!!

And I would also care for some actual rules as well.......... Me and a practice buddy jsut been playin 15 ball rotattion like 9 ball.. Im sure there are some set of rules which are a bit different hehe
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
FIRST!!!

And I would also care for some actual rules as well.......... Me and a practice buddy jsut been playin 15 ball rotattion like 9 ball.. Im sure there are some set of rules which are a bit different hehe
I do believe so,I think whatever you make on the break spots and you get ball in hand in the kitchen on scratches.
 
99 critical shots in pool... has all the rules for almost every game in the back section.. including several I had never heard of before..

and interesting trivia such as a game of rotation is won at 61 points because the total value of all balls is 120.. 61 is one point over the line after that the other guy can't win.. and I also note that running 1-10 (10-ball) wins the game in rotation.. and running only 9 balls usually loses...

I'm full of useless knowledge
 
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I'd just like to say, Rotation is absolutely the best game to play in pool.

Playing a full rack of balls in rotation requires more skill than all the other games combined. One reason the Phillipinos have become such great players.

The problem with the rules of rotation is the matter of scoring. The more difficult balls to make are in the beginning of the rack, and are scored less than the easier balls to pocket.

Some of you know I've created a game called Continuous Rotation, which I believe is the ultimate test of pocket billiard's skill and creativity.

This weekend I'm hosting a Rotation Continuous tournament at Danny K's, and I should have quite a few pros there to play.

Danny K
 
Rotation - Back in the day, it used to be the ONLY game Filipinos played. Originally taught by American G.I.'s to Filipinos who grew to love and adopt the sport as if it was our own.

However, from what I know, there seems to be a few discrepancies in the rules from country to country about this game. So I can only tell you how we play it here:


THE BREAK

All 15 balls are racked in this order (triangular):

.........1
......13 14
....11 15 12
...7 9 10 8
.3 5 6 4 2

A legal break must have atleast 3 balls contacting the rails. This game almost always demands a very hard break.

All normal, legal poolshots apply...except jump shots. Jump shots, much more the jump cue, is not legal in rotation. About rail contact, if no ball is pocketed legally, any shot with a rail contact in it is legal. (rail first then OB, without any further rail contact is acceptable)


PLAY:

Balls are shot in order, 1 to 15. Points are accumulated by adding the numbers of the pocketed balls


WINNING THE GAME:

The game ends when a player gets 61 points or greater with that player being the winner. Ties are possible when a combination of balls pocketed by both players total 60 and 60 each.

However, with differences in player skills, giving weight is very much flexible. Either ball spots are given to the weaker player like a "+10" or "+15" (the spotted ball is taken from the table and given to the weaker player after the break, regardless of who breaks.)

Or score difference spots are given like 70-50, the stronger player needs 70 or higher to win, while the weaker needs to only make 50pts. Other combinations can be 55-65, 80-40, 90-30 or any amount as long as they both total 120 points (the total point value of all the balls).


PENALTIES: (This is where strategy plays a big part in the game)

Penalty shots are optional to the incoming shooter and is allowed only after a foul shot is commited by the other player. Ie: Player-A makes bad contact, incoming Player-B has the option to shoot the table as-is or have the OB re-spotted on the headstring with him having ball-in-hand in the kitchen.

When being faced by an impossible, hidden-ball shot, the shooter can say "spot" (optional) and the incoming player will have to shoot it (OB) re-spotted on the headstring with ball-in-hand from the kitchen. That means consciously relinquishing table-control in the hopes the other player cannot run-out the table. One cannot declare a spot if the OB is visible even just partially from the CB.

Scratches are awarded with ball-in-hand from the kitchen, shooting the OB where it has last landed before the scratch. If on the scratch, the OB winds up in the kitchen or is pocketed, it is re-spotted. Any balls pocketed illegally, is re-spotted in a singular line from the headstring spot towards the head rail.

*****

You can further ask ANY Filipino poolplayer about rotation. Of course the best would be the pros, none better would be Efren Reyes himself. Rotation used to be the "bread and butter" of these players and will always remember how best to play the game.
 
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Darth-Pinoy said:
Rotation - Back in the day, it used to be the ONLY game Filipinos played. Originally taught by American G.I.'s to Filipinos who grew to love and adopt the sport as if it was our own.

However, from what I know, there seems to be a few discrepancies in the rules from country to country about this game. So I can only tell you how we play it here:


THE BREAK

All 15 balls are racked in this order (triangular):

1
13 14
11 15 12
7 9 10 8
3 5 6 4 2

A legal break must have atleast 3 balls contacting the rails. This game almost always demands a very hard break.

All normal, legal poolshots apply...except jump shots. Jump shots, much more the jump cue, is not legal in rotation. About rail contact, if no ball is pocketed legally, any shot with a rail contact in it is legal. (rail first then OB, without any further rail contact is acceptable)


PLAY:

Balls are shot in order, 1 to 15. Points are accumulated by adding the numbers of the pocketed balls


WINNING THE GAME:

The game ends when a player gets 61 points or greater with that player being the winner. Ties are possible when a combination of balls pocketed by both players total 60 and 60 each.

However, with differences in player skills, giving weight is very much flexible. Either ball spots are given to the weaker player like a "+10" or "+15" (the spotted ball is taken from the table and given to the weaker player after the break, regardless of who breaks.)

Or score difference spots are given like 70-50, the stronger player needs 70 or higher to win, while the weaker needs to only make 50pts. Other combinations can be 55-65, 80-40, 90-30 or any amount as long as they both total 120 points (the total point value of all the balls).


PENALTIES: (This is where strategy plays a big part in the game)

Penalty shots are optional to the incoming shooter and is allowed only after a foul shot is commited by the other player. Ie: Player-A makes bad contact, incoming Player-B has the option to shoot the table as-is or have the OB re-spotted on the headstring with him having ball-in-hand in the kitchen.

When being faced by an impossible, hidden-ball shot, the shooter can say "spot" (optional) and the incoming player will have to shoot it (OB) re-spotted on the headstring with ball-in-hand from the kitchen. That means consciously relinquishing table-control in the hopes the other player cannot run-out the table. One cannot declare a spot if the OB is visible even just partially from the CB.

Scratches are awarded with ball-in-hand from the kitchen, shooting the OB where it has last landed before the scratch. If on the scratch, the OB winds up in the kitchen or is pocketed, it is re-spotted. Any balls pocketed illegally, is re-spotted in a singular line from the headstring spot towards the head rail.
*****

You can further ask ANY Filipino poolplayer about rotation. Of course the best would be the pros, none better would be Efren Reyes himself. Rotation used to be the "bread and butter" of these players and will always remember how best to play the game.
I believe BCA rules is ball in hand anywhere in the table on all fouls except right after the break.
The Filipino version is shoot as it lays or spot the ball of course.
 
Thanks for the rules and rep sent,it seems interesting and I like the Pinoy rules much better to be honest. :)
 
Fast Lenny said:
Thanks for the rules and rep sent,it seems interesting and I like the Pinoy rules much better to be honest. :)

The Pinoy rules are the old US rules which are far better. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
The Pinoy rules are the old US rules which are far better. Johnnyt

Exactly. Old US rules for rotation hasn't been really substantially changed here over the last 60 years.

And yes, as Joeyincali ointed out, I do believe that current BCA rules do say ball-in-hand for fouls. Efren Reyes and Ronnie Alcano recently played an exhibition match using those rules. But when they played for big money, the Pinoy were still used.

*****

In addition to my aforementioned rules:

INTENTIONAL FOULS: Such fouls are met with either the standard penalty of optional re-spotting or the incoming shooter can have all the balls reset by a referee to the closest approximation of how each ball was before the foul shot was taken.

Now that is the grey area of rotation. The intentional foul.

There is no 3-foul rule in Pinoy rotation.
 
Thanks everyone for the rules,I will playing on Wednesday against fellow AZer Grindz and we will play Rotation race to 1000 points. :smile:
 
Racking also has rules... ;)

______1
____14,13
__11, 15, 12
_8, _9, 10, _7
2, _5, _6, _4,_3

If you look carefully, they all add up.

______1
____13,14
__12, 15, 11
_7, 10, _9, _8
3, _4, _6, _5,_2

13 & 12 always goes together as well as 14 and 11. That's a total of 25 each side.

12 goes with 7 and 11 with 8 at 19 total.

7 besides 10 and 9 with 8 for a total 17.

and so on...

:D :D :D
 
BlowFish said:
Racking also has rules... ;)

______1
____14,13
__11, 15, 12
_8, _9, 10, _7
2, _5, _6, _4,_3

If you look carefully, they all add up.

______1
____13,14
__12, 15, 11
_7, 10, _9, _8
3, _4, _6, _5,_2

13 & 12 always goes together as well as 14 and 11. That's a total of 25 each side.

12 goes with 7 and 11 with 8 at 19 total.

7 besides 10 and 9 with 8 for a total 17.

and so on...

:D :D :D
This will be the toughest to remember until its memorized after racking a bunch of times. :smile:
 
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