Anyone ever try the Rigid router? They are considerably cheaper and it appears you can change the brushes real easy.
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I've been using a porter cable trim router for a while. It works well, but not too nice on the ears.
I have'nt used a ridgid yet. I did get an offer from rockler for a bosch that is made simular, and around the same price. It even comes with a free palm sander. They say they put out less noise, but I don't know how much less really is. I know I had to start wearing ear plugs with the porter, because that thing was messing My ears up.
Greg
I have'nt used a ridgid yet. I did get an offer from rockler for a bosch that is made simular, and around the same price. It even comes with a free palm sander. They say they put out less noise, but I don't know how much less really is. I know I had to start wearing ear plugs with the porter, because that thing was messing My ears up.
Greg
Cue Crazy said:
Unless you spend really big bucks all routers are noisey. They use Universal motors, with brushes at high speed. I've got about a half dozen routers as I always find them at flea markets or yard sales very cheaply. I have three of the P/C laminate trimmers also but I was wearing them out to quickly as I was running them in my CNC for 6 or 8 hrs. a day. They would last for awhile then I would replace the brushes but then they would only last about half the time until they needed brushs again then the third time was even less. Since then I have bought a Precise variable speed grinder and use it. It runs from 0 - 75,000 rpm and is much more quite but it is very expensive. I tried a 75,000 rpm air driven grinder and it was very quite but it emitted a very fine oil spray from the air onto the wood. That wasn't any good.
Dick
Thanks,
That why I'm skeptical about how quite is quite. Most are very loud, I have heard there were a few, but as you mentioned they are big money.
I thought about mounting a p/c trimmer on my pantgraph, but was skeptical of them, because I have heard what your basically saying your experience was, and they are too expensive for a good one to take the chance on right now. The dremel works alright, but I want something higher rpm, with a better casing to hold the bearings nice a ridgid. The dremels work, but over time, and with the flex in the case, I'm sure that won't last, and it could be alittle better anyway.
I am curious if anyone has used the dental size routers, that a certain tool post grinder maker we have mentioned on here recently also produces. they don't look very mount friendly, but might be worth it if there any good, and will accept endmills. I have'nt researched them well enough to know if they could even be used yet, just something I ran accross in search recently looking at the post grinders.
75,000 is kicking butt if you get that from power
. I have heard the same thing you mentioned about the air grinder, and thought of that Myself, but don't need that oil spitting on My woods. I even thought about tearing one down to see if I could use some of the parts to make a spindle from, but that's probably not an option, unless I change the bearing's to good sealed ones. I know those bearings are probably externally lubricated through the air lines, or there would be no need for the oil anyway. when It comes to those kind of rpms, I'm not even sure I want to mess with those kind of mods, and take too many risks, but it has crossed My mind once or twice
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There's another make rotary type spindle I have'nt heard mentioned on here yet that's supposed to be decent, but It's slipped My mind at the time as to the name. When I remember it I'll pass it on.
Thanks Greg
That why I'm skeptical about how quite is quite. Most are very loud, I have heard there were a few, but as you mentioned they are big money.
I thought about mounting a p/c trimmer on my pantgraph, but was skeptical of them, because I have heard what your basically saying your experience was, and they are too expensive for a good one to take the chance on right now. The dremel works alright, but I want something higher rpm, with a better casing to hold the bearings nice a ridgid. The dremels work, but over time, and with the flex in the case, I'm sure that won't last, and it could be alittle better anyway.
I am curious if anyone has used the dental size routers, that a certain tool post grinder maker we have mentioned on here recently also produces. they don't look very mount friendly, but might be worth it if there any good, and will accept endmills. I have'nt researched them well enough to know if they could even be used yet, just something I ran accross in search recently looking at the post grinders.
75,000 is kicking butt if you get that from power
. I have heard the same thing you mentioned about the air grinder, and thought of that Myself, but don't need that oil spitting on My woods. I even thought about tearing one down to see if I could use some of the parts to make a spindle from, but that's probably not an option, unless I change the bearing's to good sealed ones. I know those bearings are probably externally lubricated through the air lines, or there would be no need for the oil anyway. when It comes to those kind of rpms, I'm not even sure I want to mess with those kind of mods, and take too many risks, but it has crossed My mind once or twice .There's another make rotary type spindle I have'nt heard mentioned on here yet that's supposed to be decent, but It's slipped My mind at the time as to the name. When I remember it I'll pass it on.
Thanks Greg
Anyone know anything about these grinding spindles. They're electric, and go up to 80,000 rpm according to the site. I don't know if the prices listed are just for the collet it'self, If so I hate to think what the grinders cost 
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check them out here-
http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/mooretool/espindle.htm
. check them out here-
http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/mooretool/espindle.htm
Or you could get what Ernie G uses b/c you are as wealthy as he is now.Cue Crazy said:Anyone know anything about these grinding spindles. They're electric, and go up to 80,000 rpm according to the site. I don't know if the prices listed are just for the collet it'self, If so I hate to think what the grinders cost
check them out here-
http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/mooretool/espindle.htm
http://www.ekstromcarlson.com/spindle motors.htm
JoeyInCali said:
Well Joey, If he was kind enough to give me half his wealth, then I maybe as wealthy
Thruth Is I'm dreaming for now, but who knows what lies in the future . Those are some nice spindles also. I've seen them mounted on machines in pictures before, that is unless they were NSK I saw, and they just looked alike to me.
Greg
I happen to have sat next to the Maestro at this year's UPA Bicycle Open.Cue Crazy said:Well Joey, If he was kind enough to give me half his wealth, then I maybe as wealthy
Those are some nice spindles also. I've seen them mounted on machines in pictures before, that is unless they were NSK I saw, and they just looked alike to me.
Greg
I picked his brains a little. The Maestro was actually gracious enough to talk to a loser like me. The Maestro was elegant, classy and kind.
I asked him if he had a saw machine. He said he knew SW and Bender used them but he said he had several Perske motors and he could hog out 100 thou per side easily.
Some of his family members from Colombia were there too. We were watching Efren vs. Corey Deuel. Great match won by Deuel ( hill-hill ). He told me he made a cue for Efren years ago and it was stolen. I can only imagine what it'd be worth now.
People have warned other cuemakers; do not go in Ernie's shop. You might just go back to your shop and light a fire.
JoeyInCali said:I happen to have sat next to the Maestro at this year's UPA Bicycle Open.
I picked his brains a little. The Maestro was actually gracious enough to talk to a loser like me. The Maestro was elegant, classy and kind.
I asked him if he had a saw machine. He said he knew SW and Bender used them but he said he had several Perske motors and he could hog out 100 thou per side easily.
Some of his family members from Colombia were there too. We were watching Efren vs. Corey Deuel. Great match won by Deuel ( hill-hill ). He told me he made a cue for Efren years ago and it was stolen. I can only imagine what it'd be worth now.
People have warned other cuemakers; do not go in Ernie's shop. You might just go back to your shop and light a fire.
LOL, I better not see his shop then, I'm counting on you to remind me should that ever come up
(just dreaming again, but I'd hate to come home with a bad case of pyromania.) He sounds like a class act Joey. Lucky you to get to sit & talk with Him. What a nice bonus to watch Reyes & Duel go hill/hill like that also.I don't know what gets into people stealing cues, that's like taking a mans dog, just not right. I had a customer recently, that had a dufferin stolen from him, and I still really felt for the guy. He said to us, "You know it was'nt a expensive cue, but after you guys worked on it for me, I really shot well with it, and was attatched to the cue" then i thought to myself, what a sensless theft, the cue was'nt worth anything to the person that took It, but meant alot to this guy. The same night I talked to him about that, I left My break cue near the table i had just played a match on at the same place it happened, and did'nt realize it till the next week. I went back in the next week when i realized what I did, the bar tender was there, and could'nt find it, so I thought It's gone, just have to hope to catch it in someones hand one night. I went to My match, and the guy that had his stolen was there, he knew the owner of the other place, so went by there after his match, and I got a phone call from him telling me he found it. Man, was I a happy camper. I told the guy He had a free one coming next time he needed work done. It would really be nice if I could catch the guy with his cue, and return the favor that way.
Greg
Earnie
His machines work. He's a good guy, and I have much respect for him, his machinery and his methods..........
He hasn't up dated for years now. Mainly because he designed great stuff from the get go. His stuff workwell for him. His shaft and butt machines run off taper bars, and as you said, he uses perske's. [ to loud for me]..The most impressive machine, is his leather wrap jig, in my opinion....Pretty neat.
The rest is normal cue shop machinery,retro-fitted mills, and lathe's.
My stuff is CNC, no bars to change, just go to the key board, and change programs.........
He maybe ahead of some folks with machinery, but not all of us, my friend
He's not the only guy who can do whatever it takes...
blud
I have been to Ernie's shop several times, over the yrs. Nice machinery, and he's a great mechanic.JoeyInCali said:I happen to have sat next to the Maestro at this year's UPA Bicycle Open.
I picked his brains a little. The Maestro was actually gracious enough to talk to a loser like me. The Maestro was elegant, classy and kind.
I asked him if he had a saw machine. He said he knew SW and Bender used them but he said he had several Perske motors and he could hog out 100 thou per side easily.
Some of his family members from Colombia were there too. We were watching Efren vs. Corey Deuel. Great match won by Deuel ( hill-hill ). He told me he made a cue for Efren years ago and it was stolen. I can only imagine what it'd be worth now.
People have warned other cuemakers; do not go in Ernie's shop. You might just go back to your shop and light a fire.
His machines work. He's a good guy, and I have much respect for him, his machinery and his methods..........
He hasn't up dated for years now. Mainly because he designed great stuff from the get go. His stuff workwell for him. His shaft and butt machines run off taper bars, and as you said, he uses perske's. [ to loud for me]..The most impressive machine, is his leather wrap jig, in my opinion....Pretty neat.
The rest is normal cue shop machinery,retro-fitted mills, and lathe's.
My stuff is CNC, no bars to change, just go to the key board, and change programs.........
He maybe ahead of some folks with machinery, but not all of us, my friend
He's not the only guy who can do whatever it takes...
blud
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This guy makes some great CNC spindles at prices that blow away anything else I've seen! I am using one of his "ultra sonic" 60,000rpm spindles on my main CNC. He'll also custom make mounts or just about anything else you need, if you're not equiped to do it yourself.
I was amazed at how silent my spindle was before I mounted it, but found that the extruded aluminum frame of my gantry tends to amplify it some. Weird!
The spindles are great, though not designed to do real heavy work, like say a perske router, but are very suitable for inlay work and most light machining.
http://stores.ebay.com/Wolfgang-Engineering_Other_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZQ2d1QQftidZ2QQtZkm
just more hot air!
Sherm
I was amazed at how silent my spindle was before I mounted it, but found that the extruded aluminum frame of my gantry tends to amplify it some. Weird!
The spindles are great, though not designed to do real heavy work, like say a perske router, but are very suitable for inlay work and most light machining.
http://stores.ebay.com/Wolfgang-Engineering_Other_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZQ2d1QQftidZ2QQtZkm
just more hot air!
Sherm
I heard those Kress routers, German I think, were suppose to be really good. Anyone know anything about them?
CamposCues said:
I've just heard they were quite, were good routers, and expensive, other then that I don't know much, altough I know of a guy that I think had a router from germany, might have been one, but not sure. If I remember correctly he was having an issue with the brushes or something, changed them out, and was still having a problem with it. Last thing I remember was him asking what model # My porter was, so don't know if he ever got it working. he is member here, but don't see him post very much anymore.
The BEST router set-up I have run across is the Unique Products CNC router.
It is SUPER QUITE and has an easy to use speed control. After using one on my CNC for awhile I retro fitted two other of my lathes with it. You can order it with a manual controlled "Z" axis which makes it ideal for points, etc. Set it up with a DRO or dial indicator and you are in business. Not trying to sell anyone on one --just passing info on. For guitar work I use a Ryobi Laminate Trimmer.
Bob Flynn
Denali Cues/Guitars
It is SUPER QUITE and has an easy to use speed control. After using one on my CNC for awhile I retro fitted two other of my lathes with it. You can order it with a manual controlled "Z" axis which makes it ideal for points, etc. Set it up with a DRO or dial indicator and you are in business. Not trying to sell anyone on one --just passing info on. For guitar work I use a Ryobi Laminate Trimmer.
Bob Flynn
Denali Cues/Guitars
cueman said:
Hmmm, When I bought mine it was complete with power supply and mount. It may be that he's more into the machining aspect and doesn't want to mess with the electronics anymore himself, but I imagine he can direct you to the proper equipment.
Sherm
He did use to supply them, for a extra cost ofcourse, and some even came as a package.
Sherm, I was looking at the one you won that time. It started off cheap, and I actually had Myself fooled into thinking I might get the super deal on it , but as the auction wound down the price went up quickly, and out of My range at the time. Thanks for sharing, I have wondered since if they were worth the money.
Greg
Sherm, I was looking at the one you won that time. It started off cheap, and I actually had Myself fooled into thinking I might get the super deal on it
, but as the auction wound down the price went up quickly, and out of My range at the time. Thanks for sharing, I have wondered since if they were worth the money.Greg
cuesmith said:
I, too, bought one of these routers after discussing its merits with Sherm. I was lucky & got one of the few that Richard actually let people bid on. Now they are all offered at "buy it now" prices. I was able to get mine for over $100 less than the retail price. It isn't meant for heavy duty work but I only use it for 1/32" & smaller cutters & it works like a dream. Finish is great, sizes are perfectly predictable...what more could you ask for. The one I got was TB-6070-BL 300 Watt CNC Router Spindle, 40,000 RPM's. My high bid was around $460. The seller was easy to work with & willing to custom build the mount if necessary. I told him to skip the mount & I made a sleeve that allows me to interchange it with my main mount while keeping everything aligned. Power supply was included. I now have at least 100 trouble free hours on it & it runs as smooth as the day I bought it.
See pictures at http://www.dzcues.com/hidden.htm
He told me he does not have any power supplies and when asked what I could use to run it on I got no response. If he would have directed me somewhere he may have sold another one.cuesmith said:
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
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