Rulebook on jumping

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Suppose that a tournament has a no jumping rule.

I have a question on 2 shots:

1. CB and OB are nearly frozen to the end rail, straight in. I want to make the ball in the corner, and jump the CB so it bounces off the top of the end rail and down table.

2. I want to shoot into the rail and make the cueball jump after it hits the rail, and then over a ball.

Sorry these are hard to explain without pictures. They are the two common (not so common) shots you are probably thinking of.
 
Seems like a no jump shot rule would be made to guard against felt damage from the tip slamming into the table on jump shots. If you hit into arail with enough high english to make it hop, then it seems legal to me. The tip does not touch the felt, after all...

Is there a "no masse" rule as well?
 
I've never seen a tournament that made it illegal to shoot any kind of jumpshot regardless if its a "normal" jump or one of the modified jump shots your talking about......

now I'll tell you this........there are tournaments that DON'T ALLOW JUMP CUES

this is a basic rule in every onepocket tournament I've every played in from small local to large open events.

That does not mean you can't jump in a one pocket tourney you can with your playing cue, you just cant use the cattle prod to get it done.

I've seen many people misunderstand that rule and think that jumps in onehole are completely illegal.......when they are 100% legal

-Grey Ghost-
 
There is a bar tournament here, they have a no jump rule.
They also say , any time a ball leaves the table surface,it is considered a foul shot.
They have been leanient on a cueball skip,but if a player is found to be doing this too often a warning is issued.
A ball leaving the table surface after hitting a rail is considered a jump shot and results in a loss of continuation, becomes a foul.The cue is to be shot from it's resting position.
A ball that leaves the table surface and lands into a pocket, is respotted.
 
PocketPoint said:
Suppose that a tournament has a no jumping rule.

I have a question on 2 shots:

1. CB and OB are nearly frozen to the end rail, straight in. I want to make the ball in the corner, and jump the CB so it bounces off the top of the end rail and down table.

2. I want to shoot into the rail and make the cueball jump after it hits the rail, and then over a ball.

Sorry these are hard to explain without pictures. They are the two common (not so common) shots you are probably thinking of.
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That's completely legal. Instead of a jump shot, that is called a hop shot. :wink:
 
Doesn't snooker have a similar rule? If a ball leaves the playing surface (the flat part) then it is a foul.

Just to be safe, I would ask the ref or tourney director.
 
Llama said:
Doesn't snooker have a similar rule? If a ball leaves the playing surface (the flat part) then it is a foul.

Just to be safe, I would ask the ref or tourney director.
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yes I believe so..........

its weird how the rules differ b/t styles of billiards such as b/t snooker and pool


in pool you have to contact rail with CB or OB after the CB hits the OB or its a foul...........in snooker its not a foul
 
Subtle Differences

JoeyA said:
That's completely legal. Instead of a jump shot, that is called a hop shot. :wink:
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:eek:
Joey-

If I am visualizing these two shots correctly-these "hop shots" are basically specialty angled jumps shots (from a stroking standpoint). That is-the cb doesn't get airborne enough to jump over a ball, but rather rebounds off the slate and hits a ball, or rail on the upward bounce flight path.

As such-the ball can be pocketed and the cb then can continue its flight to jump over a wall of balls, land on a cushion, land on another ball(s) etc as it 'hops'.

Similarly, the cb can be 'hopped' into the rail, causing it to jump over an obstructing ball as it leaves the cushion airborne.

A generous (w/knowledge) elder statesman in our room shared both of those shots with some of us. He showed us two ways to get down table when cb and ob are nearly frozen to rail, straight in, about a ball and a half apart. The 'hop' and another way..

The fun 'hop' is the length of the table shot that is airborne 9 feet when you catch it at chest level before it nails you.
Best shot down the side of the long rail about 1 diamond in to keep from buying the light.

Then there is the hybrid- jump/'hop' bank to the side pocket over intervening ball. cb and 'blocker' nearly even, about 1 diamond off the side rail. bank ball about 3-4 inches off rail. A shallow angle straight in bank to the side-except a ball in the way. Jump the cb on to the bank ball, bb hops, rebounds off the cushion and flys over the blocker, into the side, with or without bounces on slate.

'Hops' are fun. Probably not a game-shot in a important game.:eek:
 
conetip said:
... They also say , any time a ball leaves the table surface,it is considered a foul shot. ...
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This is a problem since the cue ball leaves the table on nearly all shots. This can be demonstrated by placing a thin coin on the table a few inches in front of the cue ball and then shooting a medium or harder shot.
 
Bob Jewett said:
This is a problem since the cue ball leaves the table on nearly all shots. This can be demonstrated by placing a thin coin on the table a few inches in front of the cue ball and then shooting a medium or harder shot.
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Bob's right. Meaning if my opponent shoots in the 9 at rocket speed, I will call a foul on him. If debated, I will pull out a dime and go to the next table over to demonstrate.
 
JoeyA said:
That's completely legal. Instead of a jump shot, that is called a hop shot. :wink:
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Joey-

just noticed this-



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Quote:
Originally Posted by mnorwood
Today I played some straight pool. I had some runs in the 20's and 30's. Nothing to really brag about. On one break shot I was almost straight in and my cue ball was about a foot and a half from the break ball. I aimed to really cheat the pocket and slammed the cue ball. It jumped about 2 feet up in the air and landed in the center of the stack. The cue ball rolled off about 3 inches from the the stack and stopped and one ball squirted out and landed near the short rail. It set up a perfect secondary break shot where I was able to spread the rack out. I ended up dogging a fairly simple shot to kill yet another promising run.

Marc:

Actually, that's one of Danny DiLiberto's favorite break shots to talk about on the Accu-Stats match DVDs (when he's commentating). He describes this in detail on, of all things, a One Pocket match, and describes to Jay Helfert how straight poolers can hop "into" the stack to spread the pile. Just slightly jack up (e.g. 15/20 degrees -- almost like a "long" jump shot), cheat the pocket just a bit (but don't use any side english -- you'll masse the cue ball otherwise), and slap the cue ball. It will be slightly airborne when it hits the object ball, and will pop in the air. The slight "cheat" of the pocket gives you just a little bit of angle/deflection, and you can actually make the cue ball "jump into/onto" the rack of balls.

It's a crazy shot that you wouldn't try in a match. But when you're competing in, say, a high run challenge (e.g. like the one coming up at SBE), and you're straight-in on your break shot, it's worthwhile to try it, as you may not have anything else.

It's a shame the run ended the way it did -- I know how that feels when you make a super shot, and pooch a simple one.

-Sean


guess 'hops' have their place in several games

thanks
 
conetip said:
There is a bar tournament here, they have a no jump rule.
They also say , any time a ball leaves the table surface,it is considered a foul shot.
They have been leanient on a cueball skip,but if a player is found to be doing this too often a warning is issued.
A ball leaving the table surface after hitting a rail is considered a jump shot and results in a loss of continuation, becomes a foul.The cue is to be shot from it's resting position.
A ball that leaves the table surface and lands into a pocket, is respotted.
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That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

I hate when people who have so little knowledge of the game are the ones running tournament. I understand if they don't want to allow jump cues... to each his own on that topic... but if you have the skill to pull off any of these shots with your playing cue, you should be rewarded... not punished. That's like saying that half the people in this tournament can't pull off a full table draw shot, so if you draw the ball back more than 3/4 of the table, it is a foul and it is your opponents turn.

What happens if you are close to a rail, you have to jack up for a stop or draw shot and the cue ball is accidentally jumped a bit? Loss of turn? Ridiculous.
 
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