Rules on Foul by Touching Cluster of Balls

[SterlingArcher]

On a more serious note: It definitely would not have been at all fair if the person who drops his cuestick on a badly clustered bunch of balls gains any advantage from it. I don't think the OP was too far out of line for putting the balls back to where there was definitely NOT a shot to be had. If his opponent didn't like that solution, he shouldn't have been clutzy enough to drop his cue on the stack. The one that commits the crime should do the time, so to speak. At the very worst, I would have offered to re-rack and start that game over. The OP doesn't say anything about any balls being made by either player, so I would suppose that a re-rack would've been the most amicable solution.

Maniac (keep the bamboo poles handy, just in case :wink

I would agree with you 100% if he had not specifically stated he knowingly set them up harder than they were.

Hypothetically speaking, if a ball were dead in his hole, and he decided to set the balls back up, the right thing to do would to still set the ball up dead in the hole. (yes I know, the incoming player can just say leave then where they stand, just making a point)

In the end, if you're playing for more money than your integrity is worth, you're playing too high.

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

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It is not tournament, it is money game. We both knew the balls were clustered in such a way that he has no shot or kick at them and blocking the long bank for him, but we both do not know exactly how they were sitting, what do you do, just set them arbitrary and leave something dead to his hole and not know it until it is too late (maybe that is what he was hoping for)? i simply made sure he has no dead ball and no single shot, was worse than they were maybe, but at the end of the day it is my money! I understand if they were up table or away from his hole, or just one or two that moved, but for Christ sake he almost had a break shot on them by dropping the cue on the balls. If we had a stream and luxury of knowing exactly where balls are sure we will put them exactly where they were.


I kinda agree with more than three balls / loss of game.

When I play for money I always make sure that everyone knows the rules before the game is started.

MMike

 

[spanky79]

You're the one who actually broke the rules here. Unless the balls he touched were in the cue ball's path, there is no foul. If he made a legal hit with the cue ball, you should have not made him pay a ball.

Putting the balls back purposely harder than they were is pretty unsportsmanlike on your part.

If you move more then one ball it is a foul. Balls should have been put back as close to their original positions as possible and a ball taken from the offending player. Cue ball does not move.

 

[Kadillac]

So...you're mad because he, more than likely, accidentally hit the cluster and moved some balls, yet you purposely cheated him?

Wtf kind of logic is that?

 

[spanky79]

So...you're mad because he, more than likely, accidentally hit the cluster and moved some balls, yet you purposely cheated him?

Wtf kind of logic is that?

He found a good way to lose action. If his opponent reads this or knows someone who does why would he ever give him action again.

I know I wouldn't.

 

[Kadillac]

I completely agree.

I wouldn't give him the time of day if he came in looking for action, and I am a huge money player.

He found a good way to lose action. If his opponent reads this or knows someone who does why would he ever give him action again.

I know I wouldn't.

 

[tank69]

Under the "cue ball fouls only" section of the BCAPL rules, if the player disturbs more than one object ball, it is a foul. I've seen this in several tournaments.

The WSR regulations also say that under "cue ball fouls only" the players must come to an agreement about the restoration.

That's the way we play it in AZ. One ball, move it back. Move twice or more, you owe!