Rules question??

tigerseye

tigerseye

Kenny Wilson
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From time to time i know u have had the shot that u thought hmmm...am i gonna scratch if i hit this with no english??
Well my rules question is this...can u use another ball, of course one that has been pocketed already, to sit beside the ob to give u a visual on the tangent line??
 
I believe you can use your stick to measure something on the table. You may not use a ball. You cannot take a ball and put it next to another ball to see if the ball you are shooting will pass by without kissing.
 
tigerseye said:
From time to time i know u have had the shot that u thought hmmm...am i gonna scratch if i hit this with no english??
Well my rules question is this...can u use another ball, of course one that has been pocketed already, to sit beside the ob to give u a visual on the tangent line??
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Nope, sorry. Unless the BCA changed this rule too. :)
 
jay helfert said:
Nope, sorry. Unless the BCA changed this rule too. :)
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I got another situation....Can u use Chalk to mark a point of reference for kicking and banking??
 
How about laying the rack on the table in a straight pool match to see if a ball will be in the rack? Since nobody puts the markings on the felt anymore I would think that this would be permissable. If I were a room owner and I had straight pool players for customers I would put the markings on. My son and I both have the markings on our home tables.

Dave Nelson
 
tigerseye said:
I got another situation....Can u use Chalk to mark a point of reference for kicking and banking??
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NO also to this one. Keep trying. :)
 
Dave Nelson said:
How about laying the rack on the table in a straight pool match to see if a ball will be in the rack? Since nobody puts the markings on the felt anymore I would think that this would be permissable. If I were a room owner and I had straight pool players for customers I would put the markings on. My son and I both have the markings on our home tables.

Dave Nelson
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Dave, this is legal! We have a winner! :eek:
 
jay helfert said:
NO also to this one. Keep trying. :)
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The reason i said this is because i saw 2guys gambling and one was using the chalk from time to time...but once the other guy figured it out he took his cue and swiped all the chalk off of the table...lol!! It was very funny to see the expression on the 1st guys face when that happened..
The 1st guy said he had been doing it at the open and was never called on it for cheating and was wanting to bet any amount saying it was legal....
Nobody in the room really was 100% sure so nobody took his cash...
 
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jay helfert said:
NO also to this one. Keep trying. :)
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Ok how about a guy knowingly has u 4-1 but takes a bathroom break only to come back and find that u are on the hill busting into the final rack. lol!! kidn' i am gettin silly now...It's good to chat with u guys.:thumbup:
 
Nope To Most Of The Above

tigerseye said:
From time to time i know u have had the shot that u thought hmmm...am i gonna scratch if i hit this with no english??
Well my rules question is this...can u use another ball, of course one that has been pocketed already, to sit beside the ob to give u a visual on the tangent line??
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Sorry but you can't use anything to measure a gap or place of aim.

BCAPL Rule 1.3, part f states:f. You may not use any ball, your cue stick, the rack, or any other equipment or width-measuring device to determine if the cue ball or any object ball would fit through a gap or to judge what ball the cue ball would contact first.

As for the marking question, I have seen it done once at a state tournament, the rules is as follows:

BCAPL 1.39 Illegal Marking
It is a foul if you intentionally mark the table in any way to assist you in executing any shot or future shot. Marking includes the deliberate placement of chalk or any other object at a specific point on a rail or cushion to aid the alignment of a shot, or placing any mark on any part of the table. The foul occurs at the moment you attempt to mark the table, regardless of whether you remove the mark, or whether a shot is taken.

In addition to any penalty required by specific game rules, an unsportsmanlike conduct warning must be issued; a second violation results in loss of game; a third violation results in loss of match.
 
I believe...

To my most recent understanding, reference marks are a foul. That includes chalk marks, finger rub marks, etc. However, I do recall at one time seeing a rather high speed matchup where a contender was unsure whether a ball would pass another along the rail. He was allowed under tournament rules to gauge with another ball, however the ball cannot touch the felted surface of the table. This includes the rails....This was 15 years ago though....
 
ha

tigerseye said:
Ok how about a guy knowingly has u 4-1 but takes a bathroom break only to come back and find that u are on the hill busting into the final rack. lol!! kidn' i am gettin silly now...It's good to chat with u guys.:thumbup:
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HA YOU WERE SILLY FROM FIRST QUESTION!!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:
 
Isn't it also true you can not lay your cue, hands off, on the table to line up a shot?
 
Fenwick said:
Isn't it also true you can not lay your cue, hands off, on the table to line up a shot?
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That is a foul, if you take your hand away from the cue.

I remember Rodney Morris giving up BIH for this one, can't remember the tournament, but he was pretty shocked.
 
the420trooper said:
That is a foul, if you take your hand away from the cue.

I remember Rodney Morris giving up BIH for this one, can't remember the tournament, but he was pretty shocked.
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Sorry but no foul, rule has changed...Also please look up the rules before making statements that are not true. Thank you Earl Timmons BCA ref
 
It depends on whos rules you are using. Texas express? World standardized rules? BCA? Redneck Rules?
You can use a cue stick to help measure the bank angle if you don't release it. Watch for people marking the inside of the bumper with the chalk on the cue tip. :smile:
There is an exception to the measuring rule in Texas Express rules. You can use the cue ball to see if a ball will pass between the bumper and another ball close to the bumper when you have ball in hand. :smile:
 
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stick8 said:
HA YOU WERE SILLY FROM FIRST QUESTION!!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:
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It was a legitimate question. I did find out through this that you can't use your stick either to line up shots....I see that reguarly...Now if i see it i can call a foul and win the game due to the knowledge of the rules...lol:grin:
 
World Standard Rules are different than the BCA League rules and have been for over a year.

WSR
6.12 Cue Stick on the Table
If the shooter uses his cue stick in order to align a shot by placing it on the table without having a hand on the stick, it is a foul.

Maybe we all need to do a little research prior to posting. :rolleyes:

The BCA League rules are for the amateurs not the pros and are usually only used in the BCA-Leagues tournaments.

Texas Express and WSR are usually used in non-BCA-League tournaments.



etimmons said:
Sorry but no foul, rule has changed...Also please look up the rules before making statements that are not true. Thank you Earl Timmons BCA ref
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