Rules Question

poolnut

poolnut

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This afternoon I was playing the 9 ball ghost on my table at home. About an hour into the session I dogged an easy shot on the 9 and lost the set. I decided to play again and when I went to break I was still steamed from missing the last shot I had taken. I rared back and really laid into it when I broke. The cue ball went flying off the table, bounced off the brick wall in my basement, and landed back on the pool table where it rolled to a stop. I know playing the ghost I have ball in hand after the break anyway, but if this were an actual match, whats the ruling? I know if one of the balls bounces up on top of the rail and rolls down it before returning to the bed it is legal. Is this any different?
 
poolnut said:
This afternoon I was playing the 9 ball ghost on my table at home. About an hour into the session I dogged an easy shot on the 9 and lost the set. I decided to play again and when I went to break I was still steamed from missing the last shot I had taken. I rared back and really laid into it when I broke. The cue ball went flying off the table, bounced off the brick wall in my basement, and landed back on the pool table where it rolled to a stop. I know playing the ghost I have ball in hand after the break anyway, but if this were an actual match, whats the ruling? I know if one of the balls bounces up on top of the rail and rolls down it before returning to the bed it is legal. Is this any different?
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NO! If the cue ball ends up back on the table, it's in play.
 
Yep, sounds like it would be a foul under the WPA rules...

http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_pocket

3.28 BALLS JUMPED OFF TABLE
Balls coming to rest other than on the bed of the table after a stroke (on the cushion top, rail surface, floor, etc.) are considered jumped balls. Balls may bounce on the cushion tops and rails of the table in play without being jumped balls if they return to the bed of the table under their own power and without touching anything not a part of the table. The table shall consist of the permanent part of the table proper. (Balls that strike or touch anything not a part of the table, such as the light fixture, chalk on the rails and cushion tops, etc., shall be considered jumped balls even though they might return to the bed of the table after contacting items which are not parts of the table proper). In all pocket billiard games, when a stroke results in the cue ball or any object ball being a jumped ball off the table, the stroke is a foul. All jumped object balls are spotted (except in Nine-Ball and in Eight Ball) when all balls have stopped moving. See specific game rules for putting the cue ball in play after a jumped cue ball foul.​
 
poolnut said:
... I know if one of the balls bounces up on top of the rail and rolls down it before returning to the bed it is legal. Is this any different?
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Yes. At one time the cue ball was permitted to strike the light fixture and return to the table if the fixture was over the table. The present rule is that the cue ball is not permitted to contact extraneous objects, and the top of the rail is not considered an extraneous object. Chalk on the rail is an extraneous object, as is the light fixture and your brick wall. And your opponent who was standing too close to the table. At carom, the rule is slightly different. The ball is permitted up on the rail, but it must not touch the wood.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
And your opponent who was standing too close to the table.
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Hey, I've got that picture hanging in my basement pool room ! :eek: The break got one of the dogs right in the snout ... FOUL :)

Dave, didn't know this rule about extraneous objects, thanks for the thread
 
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