My information is no longer needed here after a reply like that. Good luck in your research.
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My information is no longer needed here after a reply like that. Good luck in your research.
Huh? After a reply like what? I asked for your definition of rare. To me rare means that there are not many like it. And as I stated, I have never heard of Adam making knockoff Schons much less seen one until now. To me that's rare. But what do I know.
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I find it very hard to believe that is an Adam cue, when I first saw the pictures I was thinking maybe an Its George cue. That cue looks very well made and is sharp looking. If that's an Adam then it's one of the nicest Adams I've ever seen. I'm no expert maybe it is an Adam, it will be interesting to find out
I find it very hard to believe that is an Adam cue, when I first saw the pictures I was thinking maybe an Its George cue. That cue looks very well made and is sharp looking. If that's an Adam then it's one of the nicest Adams I've ever seen. I'm no expert maybe it is an Adam, it will be interesting to find out
I agree but I do trust Even's word. This is without a doubt the nicest "Adam" cue I have ever seen. When ever I think of Adam cues, I think cheap China crap. This cue is every bit as nice as almost any cue I've ever seen. The workmanship is top notch and it hits/plays fantastic.
I will admit I was a bit skeptical that it was a Schon Runde when I traded for it so the seller offered to reverse the deal if I wasn't satisfied or it turned out not to be a Schon Runde. I am supposed to be trading back tomorrow night but if anyone wants to buy it in the meantime, I'll take offers. It is in perfect condition as it was just refinished by Mike Webb. One shaft is dead straight and the other has a very slight bit of tapper roll that doesn't effect play IMO.
hello...
ooook......
i got the cue back, ...
i traded this cue and i wasn't sure on what it was, so as an honest person are suppose to do, i undid the deal with my friend Monstermash. ....:thumbup:
i have this Beauty now, if any interest on buying CASH, let me know...
All the work on this cue was Super Professionally done by Michael Webb, who by the way put a ton of time and effort to make this cue as beautiful as it is right now...the cue looks and feels great to play with,
thanks for the help and time of all of you who helped on this Thread ...
Thanks to :
Mostermash for helping me with researching on this cue:smile: , Super Azer here...
Michael Webb for putting all the Super Good Work on this beautiful cue..:smile: , Super Cue maker and Repair Services ...
ooook......
i got the cue back, ...
i traded this cue and i wasn't sure on what it was, so as an honest person are suppose to do, i undid the deal with my friend Monstermash. ....:thumbup:
i have this Beauty now, if any interest on buying CASH, let me know...
All the work on this cue was Super Professionally done by Michael Webb, who by the way put a ton of time and effort to make this cue as beautiful as it is right now...the cue looks and feels great to play with,
thanks for the help and time of all of you who helped on this Thread ...
Thanks to :
Mostermash for helping me with researching on this cue:smile: , Super Azer here...
Michael Webb for putting all the Super Good Work on this beautiful cue..:smile: , Super Cue maker and Repair Services ...
I would beg to differ.
Some of them were one of a kind. It does not get more rare than that. Period.
EDIT: It is Adam, not Adams.
EDIT2: Do you know much about pool cues?
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Indeed.
I have seen their cues fool "experts" time and again who swore...."This cue is too well made to be Asian!" LOL! Yeah...right.....
Be careful. Just when you think you know....you don't.....
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Really? Then you'll have to give me your definition of rare. Because I've never even heard of these, much less seen one. I'm not stating that it's worth considerably more, Just that they're likely aren't that many around.
Here are some photos of the collars on the shafts.
That does NOT look like any Adam I have known, and I have seen and have in my possession a few.
So, it is not Schon. I am thinking not Adam (though I could be wrong I admit).
What is it?
I dunno....
But those pilots don't look Adam to me......
PM me your price.....
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Wow..... You came flying in here, like you are the all and ever knowing cue expert.
Have you ever thought that people have seen, and know of some things that you haven't?
I know you have seen stuff that I haven't, because no one has seen everything...... I'm also sure that I've seen and know of things that you have not seen.
But, evidently I know nothing about pool cues, and you know everything.
Yes, I know that the Adam cue company has built many "1 off's, and short runs" that would make them "rare", but I didn't want him to get the impression that this was one of those cues.
This is one of the reasons I stopped posting as often here. Everybody that joins AZ, and has read the blue book magically knows everything there is to know about cues. -or- Maybe you've been in the cue game for 200 years and you actually know everything. Maybe I should call you Yoda.
Do you have something personal with this cue? I only ask because you kinda had a little fit because I asked you what your definition of rare was. Now, someone else is not agreeing with you and you're getting all defensive.
Regardless, from what I understand, Chopdoc has a great deal of knowledge in custom cues and I have been involved with custom cues for about 20 years. I will admit I do not know everything about every cue but I do know quite a bit. In all my time being involved in this sport, I have never heard of Adam making knock off Schons. But if Evan tells me it's true, I believe him even though he has completely stopped responding to my emails when I asked him for more info. I am guessing it may be a sore spot with him which I can certainly understand. If someone was making copies of something I was making, I'd be a bit miffed too.
With that being said, the fact that NO ONE has been able to provide any additional information must mean it's a least a little rare. If I'm off base feel free to call me out on it.
I have never read nor even seen the Bluebook. LOL! I would like to get one eventually, but I keep passing them up in favor of other things...like putting money into actual cues.
Actually, I think perhaps it was you who swooped in as the know-it-all.
As soon as somebody tells me a cue "looks too good to be Asian" I know they have stepped in a pile of it. What's funny is that no matter how often the comment is proven wrong people still make it...
Lighten up there. I'm not afraid to say I don't know. And on this one, I certainly don't know.
I don't think it's an Adam and I have said so...I also said I could be wrong.
I have some ideas of what it might be but I am still churning it around in my mind....
I did bait you a bit with the comment, and that was intentional. Sorry for that, but considering your snippy attitude I felt you deserved it. Sorry for being mean. :smile:
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I can't say if I have personally had this cue in my hands. I have had others, though. Tough to say if this was one of them considering the repairs that were done.....I have nothing personal to do with this cue, nor do I care what it sells for, or who ends up owning it.
I know better, and should have stayed completely out of it, but I was trying to share information. No, I'm not going into everything, and I'm guessing Evan won't either. I will say that there are more Schon knock offs than most people would think.
He did not agree with me, all he did was "correct me", because I wrote Adams, instead of Adam. He then chose to ask if I knew anything about cues. Where in any of that did he agree with me? (other than to say he didn't think it was a Schon)
I call Adam, Adams all the time. It just sounds better for some reason.
Marcus knows quite a bit about cues, as I know he has seen a ton and has spent more than alot of money, collecting and flipping than most people.
Thump chests over a real cue, this cue isn't worth it.
JV
Marcus knows quite a bit about cues, as I know he has seen a ton and has spent more than alot of money, collecting and flipping than most people.
Thump chests over a real cue, this cue isn't worth it.
JV
I think this may be the problem Joe. The cue IS worthy of all this discussion. Although Even claims it to be a Schon knockoff, it IS a very nice cue. I can almost guarantee that if you didn't see this thread and I handed you the cue and you actually held it in your hands and hit with it, you would have a difficult time believing its a knockoff of anything. No offense to Evan and Schon, but this cue is nicer and plays better than ANY Schon I have ever seen. And I've seen hundreds and owned at least ten myself. If I were a betting type of person, I would bet that Evan has the cue confused with something else. When I asked him for a little more info, he completely stopped responding to my emails. And all I asked for was a model number or any other info he could provide.
I've bought a cue or two in my time as well. This certainly isn't my first rodeo.
May I ask where I did that in this thread? I did get pissy when I was asked for my definition of rare. I still don't agree that this cue, and cues like it are rare. There are more knock offs than people think.
Did I say anything against Asian cues?
You made a post asking if I know anything about cues, why would I lighten up? You made the initial post directed at me, not the other way around.
I am done discussing what the cue is, or isn't. Good luck in your "search"
Maybe I did get a little "snippy", but if he wanted more information, that certainly wasn't the way to get it.
You questioning what I know about cues still has me perplexed. Do you feel that I have little, to no knowledge when it comes to cues? Maybe I've just been guessing all these years.
This BS is exactly why I normally stay away from these threads. I've been reminded again that AZ is full of experts, and I'll keep my information to myself in the future.
Where did anyone say that it wasn't a quality built cue? Did I miss a post somewhere? I'm not trying to be "snippy", but I really didn't see anyone take a shot at the cues quality.
Knockoff wasn't used as a derogatory term, but the cue is what it is...... A cue that was built to resemble a Schon, that isn't a Schon. "Whoever" built it, or had it built, knew what they were attempting to do. That's what makes it a "knock off"
It wasn't you Marcus. It was Joe that suggested it wasn't a quality cue which is why I directed my response to him. I certainly wasn't bashing Joe, I know he has more knowledge than I have. I was merely suggesting that his assessment wasn't accurate and that upon inspection in person he may have a different opinion. :thumbup:
I'm not questioning you're knowledge of cues. I was simply asking what your definition of rare was. Again, to me something "rare" is something that is uncommon. Just curious, have you seen something like this before? If so, could you please share your experience with us?
What I thought I made was a lighthearted jab as a bait to "get your goat".
Why should you lighten up? I would say: Why shouldn't you? :wink:
Is anybody seriously questioning whether you know anything?
It's an interesting cue, worth some discussion. Certainly not worth all the drama though.
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