S.A.M. Anyone use it? Does it really work?

[Billiard Architect]

It sounds like it really boils down to Hals system (which is not his at all. He even claims that Ralph Greenleaf taught it to him). Instead of saying oh I shoot mostly 2's and 3's would be like saying I shoot mostly 15 or 30 degree cuts. Hals system is free to anyone that wants it. It is well documented on many sites and does work for many people. It is basic geometry, nothing more nothing less. I am a Houley as you might say because he does teach other systems that are pretty cool like 1 1/8", 9/16", Lights and stick systems that will baffel you.

Hal has never cared if someone tells people the systems he teaches. What he does care about is people spouting those systems either as thier own or incorrectly. That is why there is this idea that the systems that Hal teaches are in a secret society. When in truth the people that have had the pleasure meeting up with him a few times respect his wishes in allowing him to teach those systems himself. No secret... No Handshake... No Price... Just call him. You wont regret it.

 

[Billiard Architect]

On the face of it, this statement is ludicrous. Sorry, Thrasher, but it really is. If there were any system that put the ball in the middle of the pocket every time, and you knew it, you would be a fool not to use it.

Perhaps you were using a circular definition: If the ball goes in the center of the pocket, you are using the system correctly. That's true for any system, and is a totally worthless definition.

The golden system that all other systems can be judged against is the "corrected ghost ball system." It has two problems: determining the correction and landing the cue ball at the corrected ghost ball. But if you can do that, it really is perfect.

Bob, honestly tell me that you actually use a system. My game has well improved since you and I played and I am @ the point of not actually using any system at all. Just line up an shoot. I know that even at my current level you would still beat me in a 100 point straight pool game. I guess I would be surprised to hear that you do use the ghost ball.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob, honestly tell me that you actually use a system. ... . I guess I would be surprised to hear that you do use the ghost ball.

Of course I use the ghost ball to line up close caroms, but who doesn't? For all normal shots, I use the same system all the top players use: see the ball, see the pocket, put the ball in the pocket, be happy. Beginners need a crutch, and there are lots of crutches available. Not just SAM, whatever that is.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Great Idea!

I have a fantastic idea for RandyG, Scott, or anyone else who teaches this aiming method. Enter a pro tournament, place high in the money or win it, and then come back here and promote "S.A.M" some more. You guys should never miss a ball because of your magical system! Ooooh, it was discovered by Einstein....WOW you guys must have the SECRET to pool!

Just like another poster here, I am waving the bullshit flag too. Aiming doesn't mean jack shit if you don't have the stroke to execute the shot. All you need to be a great shotmaker is a straight stroke. You will learn how to aim by feel with trial an error, in a very short amount of time.

The reason why so many people fall for this phony bullcrap is because they don't know how crooked their stroke is, or how bad their alignment is (which creates a crooked stroke).

Can you guys get a top pro to endorse this system? Probably not. They rarely use aiming systems. They think it's all bullcrap too.

On certain shots, there are systems that make it easier to find the correct line. On most shots, you don't need an aiming system. Because there isn't ONE damn aiming sytem that will work without solid fundamentals!

THERE IS NO QUICK-FIX TO POOL! I feel sorry for the people who fall for your bullshit, and spend thousands of dollars to learn an aiming system.

You want Bob Jewett to come to school!?!? YOU NEED TO GO TO HIS SCHOOL, BECAUSE HE COULD GIVE YOU GUYS THE 7BALL!!!

I swear you guys are worse than used car salesmen!

 

[Billiard Architect]

Any one remember this guy?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....=st&q=immsharma&rnum=2&hl=en#7c11ba1ee12333d4

 

[cheesemouse]

I'm all in waving the BS flag too......see the ball hit the ball and get on with your life........

 

[TommyT]

MAGIC. There's no stinkin magic in pool.

Paul Mon~~~~sucks and knows it.

You have every right to be skeptical. Having seen me miss more than my share of shots, both easy and hard. The truth of the matter is if my stroke was straight and true and I hit what I was aiming at and chose the right angle the shot would go in. Again, another variable is the english applied the the rock. I'm gonna stick with the system. I get more confident and am able to discern the angles better each day. This is not magic. It's science and as an engineer I'm surprised you can't see the value.

TommyT~~~~~looking for some magic

 

[Bob Jewett]

... This is not magic. It's science and as an engineer I'm surprised you can't see the value. ..

The value of what? SAM? So far it hasn't been explained. Will you explain it? Without knowing what we're talking about, it's not reasonable to expect a reasonable discussion.As an engineer, I'm suprised you can't see that. Without data, you can't draw conclusions.

 

[teebee]

This is not magic. It's science and as an engineer I'm surprised you can't see the value.
TommyT~~~~~looking for some magic[/QUOTE]

I think the main reason we don't see the value of the system is that nobody has said what the system is. Most often when something is too good or too difficult be talked about openly, it is because close scrutiny by knowlegable people (not me) would point out it's flaws.

 

[cigardave]

I'm not sure that this is SAM... but it does appear to be the Hal Houle system... are they one in the same???... maybe someone knowledgeable will chime in.

click here

 

[MrLucky]

Thank You

Then please explain it here so those of us not familiar with it can benefit.

This is starting to sound like a pyramid scheme or the Masons

 

[mthornto]

Two minor points I would like to bring up:

1. Aiming, regardless of how you do it, is not nearly as hard as actually hitting what you are aiming for.

2. Once past the beginner stage, position play is much more important than shot making. If you have so many hard shots that you feel the need to work on aiming maybe your time would be better spent on position play.



michael <- wishes he had spent more practice time on position play and less on shot making

 

[randyg]

I have a fantastic idea for RandyG, Scott, or anyone else who teaches this aiming method. Enter a pro tournament, place high in the money or win it, and then come back here and promote "S.A.M" some more. You guys should never miss a ball because of your magical system! Ooooh, it was discovered by Einstein....WOW you guys must have the SECRET to pool!

We spend our time teaching pro's not playing them

Who said it was a secret?

Just like another poster here, I am waving the bullshit flag too. Aiming doesn't mean jack shit if you don't have the stroke to execute the shot. All you need to be a great shotmaker is a straight stroke. You will learn how to aim by feel with trial an error, in a very short amount of time.

I totally agree!

The reason why so many people fall for this phony bullcrap is because they don't know how crooked their stroke is, or how bad their alignment is (which creates a crooked stroke).

Very true, except the bull crap thing.

Can you guys get a top pro to endorse this system? Probably not. They rarely use aiming systems. They think it's all bullcrap too.

Most pro's that come through school already have an "aiming system". They work on the fundamentals.

On certain shots, there are systems that make it easier to find the correct line. On most shots, you don't need an aiming system. Because there isn't ONE damn aiming sytem that will work without solid fundamentals!

AGREE!

THERE IS NO QUICK-FIX TO POOL! I feel sorry for the people who fall for your bullshit, and spend thousands of dollars to learn an aiming system.

Don't feel sorry for them. S.A.M is part of the program, not the program. And I agree, there is no quick fix. Lots of hard work and dedication.

You want Bob Jewett to come to school!?!? YOU NEED TO GO TO HIS SCHOOL, BECAUSE HE COULD GIVE YOU GUYS THE 7BALL!!!

I'll take it. Name the time and place and bring your cash, I assume you will be putting your cash where your mouth is...randyg

I swear you guys are worse than used car salesmen!

Nothing worse than a used car salesman when you need a pre-owned car.

I have to quote OZ here, "you don't know what you don't know!

 

[scottycoyote]

from what randyg told me, he met with hal and hal taught him a system....and then randy uses a version of the system and thats SAM. For all i know it might be an exact version of hal's, I honestly dont know. At randys school he taught us SAM, but it wasnt what the school was about-it wasnt mentioned in the curriculum, the school was to get my stroke right and teach me set-pause-finish-freeze. SAM was just an add on thing he showed us along with a few other cool tricks, we probably spent an hour on it tops.
You guys who think its bs, or stupid or unnecessary....dont use it, dont read about it, dont even think about it, hell i dont give a crap its no skin off my back. You guys who are trying to improve your game and always looking to get better, look into it, it made a big difference in my game.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I'm not sure that this is SAM... but it does appear to be the Hal Houle system... are they one in the same???... maybe someone knowledgeable will chime in.

click here

It couldn't be any real system because most of the geometry in it is wrong. Anyone with a table of tangents could find three errors in just a couple of minutes. Hint: 48 degrees is different from 45 degrees. Second hint: a 3-degree error is more than can be tolerated on many shots.

 

[Bob Jewett]

.. You guys who are trying to improve your game and always looking to get better, look into it, it made a big difference in my game.

Can you contribute to the discussion by explaining it, or were you sworn to secrecy?

 

[TommyT]

Can you contribute to the discussion by explaining it, or were you sworn to secrecy?

Ther was an article in Billiard Digest a while ago about a girl who went to Tim Simpsons Pool School who learned a similar system. Look it up.

TommyT~~~not sure if Tim Simpson is the right name

 

[MrLucky]

I understand trade secrets !

Can you contribute to the discussion by explaining it, or were you sworn to secrecy?

Bob IMO ! when we are clearly told it ..."isn't a secret"... but no one goes any further in explaining it I start to think I am listening to a Bush speech !

 

[Koop]

Can you contribute to the discussion by explaining it, or were you sworn to secrecy?

Didn't you used to frequent the same pool hall as Hal? And didn't Hal offer you numerous times to show you?

Don't ask for it now when you had a chance to learn from the man who invented them.

Koop - back to not talking about aiming systems.

 

[Shrade]

human eyes are very easy to trick and we see quite often not what there actually is, on all aiming systems u think u aim at quarter or what ever, but actually u always see it different and hit it slightly different that's y quite often those points work for all shots...