Sarah Rousey comments on the Women's Worlds

That is SICK. I thought that some regional events were bad, but this is ridiculous. Sorry that anybody has to put up with that kind of stuff. I haven't read all of the replies, and I am sure this has all been said, but the promoters and organizers should be ashamed. It is things like this that hold pool back.
 
JoeyA said:
It has always been my school of thought is that if you have a legitimate complaint about something you are involved in, you go to the source and do the complaining or the expressing of your opinion and try to have it resolved there.

You do it in private, you do it with respect to the other person or company.


Sarahs blog said:
we asked about a possibility of something being changed...we were laughed at.

Now in saying that there should be some research done before seeding and all of that this is what was said to me by Charlie Williams.."Are you in the top 32 of the WPBA and are you ranked higher than the other USA players?" Wow, thanks buddy, those are great questions to ask now that the draw has been done and all of that.

Julie and I spoke about it and Julie went to complain. She was told that is how things are and they don't have any timers to provide to the refs today.

edit: I have come back now after posting this and would like to say that the players aren't totally not at fault...we should have complained sooner about the race and it possibly could have been changed. Also, the roof is now leaking at the venue...on the tables.
It seems as if complaints were lodged in the right place to the right people and the lack of respectable answers is part of what lead to Ms. Rousey's blog.
 
Ray,

Your posts in regards to CW continue to be inflammatory and full of innuendos. I don't know what you or anyone else thinks that accomplishes. Thanks for the nice words about me being a great commentator. We're still buds but we just differ on the way and manner of how to resolve problems.

It is apparent that there are two schools of thought on how you get things done and how you get problems corrected.

It has always been my school of thought is that if you have a legitimate complaint about something you are involved in, you go to the source and do the complaining or the expressing of your opinion and try to have it resolved there.

You do it in private, you do it with respect to the other person or company. It seems that you and many other posters make every attempt to condemn CW and DP at every turn. It may just be my perspective and no one else's but if I were as concerned about the goings on as you and other posters seem to be, I would be requesting audiences with the parties or at least writing respectful letters condemning the things you see as unjust. THEN-MAYBE, just maybe, the parties might consider what you are saying.

To think that the pocket billiard industry is mainly about excellence in pocket billiard skills is myopic at best.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about the way any tournament is run including this one. I'm just saying that there are many more things that have to be considered to run a successful enterprise.
Without the hard work of Cindy Lee, Charlie Williams and all of the players in their stable there would not be any money being earned by anyone.

There will always be ways to improve the way tournaments are promoted and held but constructive criticism applied to where it will do some good is far more important to change than shouting off the roof top of some large building.

Sarah is a great gal but she does herself no good (even though her complaints seem something to complain about), nor do we by attempting to denigrate those who are making an effort to improve the lot of pool.

If there is a better way, let those who complain the loudest get off their duffs and do it better.

Look, I fully understand everyone's frustration and everyone has a right to complain about whatever bothers them but jumping on CW, DP or any other pool entity at every turn makes about as much sense as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Maybe the incessant public condemnations might bring about change or maybe an end to CW and DP's work in the pool world. I believe change is more easily brought about by discussion with the parties involved, interaction with them and hard work.

Maybe you and others think the pool world would be better off without CW and DP and maybe that is what you would like to see. If so, then I personally think you are misjudging what is best for the pool world.

Sincerely,

JoeyA




I think that this is the first time I have ever disagreed with you. The conditions listed are nothing short of deplorable, and to call it a "World Championship" under said conditions is only detrimental to the game, imo. Something like that is just against any and all common sense for anybody who has played funsy pool, much less top tier players. It sounds like the concerns were voiced, and subsequently ignored. To me, putting this on seems to be drastically worse than just not even running it. I agree with whomever said that a shoddy event like this claiming to be relevant, much less a world championship, could very well set women's pool back a very long time. And for the record, I am of the school of "The squeaky wheel gets the grease":). I am not saying that I could do it perfectly, but I am a decent enough person to not do it as opposed to doing it this poorly. But hey, this is jmo.
 
Wow that is terrible. Hopefully other than the tournament she is enjoying the heart of the billiards world.

After reading her blog I have to say that it would be pretty cool to open up the local paper and read stuff about billiards every day.
 
As far as not putting on many touraments in the US...it might be DP/CW can't get enough players to play in them anymore. Johnnyt
 
Ray,

Your posts in regards to CW continue to be inflammatory and full of innuendos.

Yes I am inflammed. I have daughters and a grand daughter, a great wife and some of my best friends are women players. There has been some inuendo in my posts, but most has been direct and up front.


I don't know what you or anyone else thinks that accomplishes. Thanks for the nice words about me being a great commentator. We're still buds but we just differ on the way and manner of how to resolve problems.

Joey, I'm not trying to resolve any problems. I just want ALL the ladies involved in pool to know what they are facing if they get involved with DP.





It is apparent that there are two schools of thought on how you get things done and how you get problems corrected.

It has always been my school of thought is that if you have a legitimate complaint about something you are involved in, you go to the source and do the complaining or the expressing of your opinion and try to have it resolved there.

You do it in private, you do it with respect to the other person or company. It seems that you and many other posters make every attempt to condemn CW and DP at every turn. It may just be my perspective and no one else's but if I were as concerned about the goings on as you and other posters seem to be, I would be requesting audiences with the parties or at least writing respectful letters condemning the things you see as unjust. THEN-MAYBE, just maybe, the parties might consider what you are saying.

I personally could care a less about changing CW or DP. My only concern is for the players that must endure these types of conditions and treatment, and that they are aware.



To think that the pocket billiard industry is mainly about excellence in pocket billiard skills is myopic at best.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about the way any tournament is run including this one. I'm just saying that there are many more things that have to be considered to run a successful enterprise.

Joey - You could run for office. ;)


Without the hard work of Cindy Lee, Charlie Williams and all of the players in their stable there would not be any money being earned by anyone.

This is simply not true.

There will always be ways to improve the way tournaments are promoted and held but constructive criticism applied to where it will do some good is far more important to change than shouting off the roof top of some large building.

Sarah is a great gal but she does herself no good (even though her complaints seem something to complain about), nor do we by attempting to denigrate those who are making an effort to improve the lot of pool.

If there is a better way, let those who complain the loudest get off their duffs and do it better.

Look, I fully understand everyone's frustration and everyone has a right to complain about whatever bothers them but jumping on CW, DP or any other pool entity at every turn makes about as much sense as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Maybe the incessant public condemnations might bring about change or maybe an end to CW and DP's work in the pool world. I believe change is more easily brought about by discussion with the parties involved, interaction with them and hard work.

Maybe you and others think the pool world would be better off without CW and DP and maybe that is what you would like to see. If so, then I personally think you are misjudging what is best for the pool world.

Sincerely,

JoeyA

If change is what you want, maybe you could talk to CW or DP. My only interest is that people know what they are getting into.
 
I don't think anyone should be quiet and just simply let DP and those involved try to work it out. This is a forum and anything is open to be discussed. If DP, CW or anyone else involved want to join the discussion, that would be even better.

Sarah has committed basically her whole life to pool, gets to go to her first Pro World Championship and I can see why she is disappointed to find out that if she had plastic surgery, she would have gotten a better seed.

Maybe CW should just hold a staged tournament with pretty girls, he could cut out the players missing, and then pool would really be shown in a great light to a TV audience.

From her blog, this tournament is actually a joke and maybe those affilated with it should stand up and walk out. I know I wouildn't feel comfortable even being the volunteer ref that Sarah described.

Again, I am really surprised that the BCAPL allows CW/DP to join in the Vegas activities. I would be looking elsewhere.
 
I personally have no problems with using beauty to promote something, but there is a time and a place for that.

The time and place for that also happens to not be during a tournament, or right before one.

Doing that is really disrespectful of the players involved in the tournament and I find it to be pretty low class for a sport that I happen to find pretty classy.
 
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All people here are asking for is a even playing field...for EVERYBODY...not some made-for-tv b.s. We've been spoon-fed that crap for years by ESPN. This event reminds me of 3 decades ago, when any promoter could call his tournament a World Championship. At least back then, although 99% of the players were American (unlike today), ALL of the top players were in attendance.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

An even playing field? It only exist in the minds of the people that agree on what is a even playing field.

What prevents ANYONE from calling their tournaments a World Championship? NOTHING.

There is no penalty for calling a pool event a World Championship, just like there is no penalty for calling yourself a world champion.

It's all well and good that ideally we would like to have a high caliber pool event for it to be considered a World Championship. It's a Catch Two situation. There isn't enough money in pool to mandate what constitutes a World Championship, so promoters will do what they think needs to be done to have one.

For those who can do a better job than CW or DP, I say go for it. I'll be singing their praises night and day.

JoeyA
 
As far as not putting on many touraments in the US...it might be DP/CW can't get enough players to play in them anymore. Johnnyt


I think it has more to do with their contracts with the Asian Television networks, they don't have those same contracts with U.S. TV networks. AND, the majority of their sponsors for these events do a large amount of business in Asia. It makes perfect business sense for these to be held in Asia. I of course would LOVE for more events to be in the U.S. but unfortunatly there is not the same amount of money and interest for the sport here.
 
I think it has more to do with their contracts with the Asian Television networks, they don't have those same contracts with U.S. TV networks. AND, the majority of their sponsors for these events do a large amount of business in Asia. It makes perfect business sense for these to be held in Asia. I of course would LOVE for more events to be in the U.S. but unfortunatly there is not the same amount of money and interest for the sport here.

Yes, you are right. That is the bigger reason. Johnnyt
 
I think it has more to do with their contracts with the Asian Television networks, they don't have those same contracts with U.S. TV networks. AND, the majority of their sponsors for these events do a large amount of business in Asia. It makes perfect business sense for these to be held in Asia. I of course would LOVE for more events to be in the U.S. but unfortunatly there is not the same amount of money and interest for the sport here.

Bingo. Basically, Cris, the mainstream televised sports are soccer, baseball and...pool. You also get bit of live USA basketball too.

Too bad it aint happening here, but since well over 1/3rd of the planet is located in Asia, well...


Eric
 
An even playing field? It only exist in the minds of the people that agree on what is a even playing field.

What prevents ANYONE from calling their tournaments a World Championship? NOTHING.

There is no penalty for calling a pool event a World Championship, just like there is no penalty for calling yourself a world champion.

It's all well and good that ideally we would like to have a high caliber pool event for it to be considered a World Championship. It's a Catch Two situation. There isn't enough money in pool to mandate what constitutes a World Championship, so promoters will do what they think needs to be done to have one.

For those who can do a better job than CW or DP, I say go for it. I'll be singing their praises night and day.

JoeyA

I would now like to be referred to as the Billiard Champion of the World. I won the event two days ago. Location was Bobby Mitchell's basement. The next event will be held in 57 years so I will be holding this title for quite some time. Hopefully, this will be the final step in me gaining entrance to the BCA HOF.

Yes - sounds as ridiculious as CW/DP calling their event a World Championship.

KT gave out 20% of listed prize money - hey that was better than anyone else was doing at the time. He is good for pool too.
 
I think it has more to do with their contracts with the Asian Television networks, they don't have those same contracts with U.S. TV networks. AND, the majority of their sponsors for these events do a large amount of business in Asia. It makes perfect business sense for these to be held in Asia. I of course would LOVE for more events to be in the U.S. but unfortunatly there is not the same amount of money and interest for the sport here.

Do you think that SVB will ever sign on to Dragon Promotions?
 
I don't think anyone should be quiet and just simply let DP and those involved try to work it out. This is a forum and anything is open to be discussed. If DP, CW or anyone else involved want to join the discussion, that would be even better.

Sarah has committed basically her whole life to pool, gets to go to her first Pro World Championship and I can see why she is disappointed to find out that if she had plastic surgery, she would have gotten a better seed.

Maybe CW should just hold a staged tournament with pretty girls, he could cut out the players missing, and then pool would really be shown in a great light to a TV audience.

From her blog, this tournament is actually a joke and maybe those affilated with it should stand up and walk out. I know I wouildn't feel comfortable even being the volunteer ref that Sarah described.

Again, I am really surprised that the BCAPL allows CW/DP to join in the Vegas activities. I would be looking elsewhere.

Maybe you're right. Maybe the forum's constant denigration of CW and DP will make something positive happen. I personally doubt it.

Sarah has a right to complain about the tournament (it sounds like it isn't going well for her and her complaints are being amplified by others) and apparently she is well aware of the ramifications that are involved with being critical about the promoters and is set to pay the price. If I were in her shoes, I would be complaining loudly, with respect, but in private and only to the people who make the decisions to change the way things are done. That's all I'm saying.

The forum members can complain all they want. I'd like to know what it accompishes?

If it's just a healthy exercise in freedom of speech, I'm all for it.

If it is just to vent without regard, to the detriment of our sport, I'm against it.

JoeyA
 
Sarah is top shelf IMO. There are probably a lot more women players there thinking the same thing, but afraid to speak out. I'm proud to know her, the little lady has some balls (metaphorically speaking of course:)).
Things probably won't change, but they definitely won't unless people like Sarah speak out. Good show Sarah.
 
When this thread runs it's course you will be able to read back and see the ones that have an agenda going on and the ones that always kiss CW's ass. This is horrible for womens pool...period. And this was sanctioned? Give me a break. If I was a woman US player I wouldn't even think about playing in one of his tournaments. Johnnyt

Well Said.
 
Maybe you're right. Maybe the forum's constant denigration of CW and DP will make something positive happen. I personally doubt it.

Sarah has a right to complain about the tournament (it sounds like it isn't going well for her and her complaints are being amplified by others) and apparently she is well aware of the ramifications that are involved with being critical about the promoters and is set to pay the price. If I were in her shoes, I would be complaining loudly, with respect, but in private and only to the people who make the decisions to change the way things are done. That's all I'm saying.

The forum members can complain all they want. I'd like to know what it accompishes?

If it's just a healthy exercise in freedom of speech, I'm all for it.

If it is just to vent without regard, to the detriment of our sport, I'm against it.

JoeyA

Joey from reading the blog I get the impression she did speak out in private, but all she got for it was a snide wisecrack.
 
The forum members can complain all they want. I'd like to know what it accompishes?

If it's just a healthy exercise in freedom of speech, I'm all for it.

If it is just to vent without regard, to the detriment of our sport, I'm against it.

JoeyA

Joey,

What I don't understand is.....You seem to think people voicing opinions about this, here on the forum, is the detriment to pool, while the actual problems with this event AND others are not.

I think the outrage IS about the detriment to our sport and women.

Ray
 
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