Sarah Rousey comments on the Women's Worlds

SpiderWebComm said:
If that Shanelle didn't win a qualifier and was offered a slot based on a 2nd place finish..........I'm curious........ how many other 2nd place finishers at qualifiers were offered slots????

Bueller.....Bueller????
Anyone? Anyone???
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She was not offered a spot based on the second place finish. She OBVIOUSLY already had a spot but it would "look" better if she were to actually win a qualifier to be able to play. No other second place finishers were offered spots.

It's clear that Dragon Promotions put "their" players in the event despite the lack of skill.

Further adding to the embarrassment they are featuring those players on the TV table in front of perhaps the most knowledgeable audience in the world when it comes to understanding what good pool should be.

Shame.
 
Actually, I think the of all the stuff I read on Sarah's blog what annoyed me the most was it is a race to five. How can a world championship be a race to five. I think having a race to five is more insulting than all the other garbage.

It seems like thay want the less players to win or to have a chance to win and that is a shame.
 
After the first rack of Kim vs Zarah, I just turn
off TV and went to pool hall. All I want on TV is
Chieh Yu Chou (Amway Champ) vs Sarah Rousey.
The reason I went to pool hall is the game in pool hall is better than Kim vs Zarah.
 
A high quality tournament, by professional players standards, is faaaaaaaaaar from a priority in the D.P. camp. :shakehead:

Always has been. :mad:
 
CreeDo said:
Boy she didn't hold back did she? And all of the gripes are legit.

I do wince a little when I read people criticizing CW and the 'eye candy' amateurs in the same breath. By all means bash charlie, he is running a 'world championship' on Sear's tables in a mall. And clearly he's working the 'sex sells' angle way too hard, to the point where it compromises the integrity of the event.

None of these issues (including being paraded down a catwalk) are shanelle's and zarah's fault. But some people don't see it that way, and that's a shame. I'd be thrilled if I got invited to fly to top pool country on the planet to play some of the top pros. People are implying they should have turned down this opportunity just because CW's a pig. Honestly, would anyone turn it down if they were in the these girl's shoes (even if they're 5 inch heels)?

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In any case, props to Sarah for laying it all out. I have a bad feeling the people of this event will somehow write off her rants as the complaints of a pissy female, when the exact same rants coming from a male would be taken seriously. Of course, if it were a men's championship they wouldn't have had these problems in the first place.

DP has already figured out how to run a major tournament, did seeing all the pretty boobies somehow make him 'forget' important details like what kind of tables and venue are necessary?
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Yes, if I was a woman and got an invite I would turn it down, and I'm sure by the before promotion of us players that were going to be there, a lot of players DID turn it down. Are you telling me that these "C" players that are there don't know they don't belong there? Like I said before, this kind of crap can only drag womens pool down to CW's level. Johnnyt
 
Bigtruck said:
I would like to add that Karen and Kelly ARE both very attractive women. They just don't flaunt it.

Ray
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Karen does such a good job at hiding her "assets" that a lot of folks don't realize the magnitude of her "assets". If she were to dress like Shanelle (while playing pool no less :rolleyes:) her "assets" could spot Shanelle's "assets" the rainbow (we all know that her game spots Shanelle's game the rainbow).

I commend Ms. Rousey on having the gumption to speak up as she did about this "Championship* Beauty Pageant". I hope that when (not if) she starts to see the backlash from CW, the rest of her WPBA cohorts will stand up and support her.

This "Championship* Farce" is just one atrocity after another. :(

I don't know which is worse. CW focusing on getting his hand picked beauties all the coverage he can while obviously not being embarrassed by the fact that they can't play pool, or his gross "oversight" on the over all playing conditions since he himself is a pool player and knows how important conditions are.
 
This tournament sounds like a joke.
I actually have a friend that was offered a spot even though she didn't play in any qualifiers and she turned it down because she didn't think she is good enough to play in a WORLD championship. The funny thing is that she is a good player.
Sarah... I feel your pain :(
 
As a Filipino, I feel bad for the players. They do deserve a world class event. Table conditions should be a priority period. As to the race 5, I am inclined to agree to this because I can only imagine that if this was a longer race, It will take more than 2 hours for some matches to finish. This will surely be ratings death! No people watching, no sponsors, no POOL! IMO, TV table is not just for the better players. Shanelle and the rest of the unknowns also need to experience playing under such conditions in order to be great someday even if it may cause some embarrassment for now and after all this is the World Championships and just the "Elite Championship." I surely won't worry about missing Allison, Kelly, Karen etc.. They will surely have their TV time in the end..:wink:
 
I applaud Sarah for saying what many others think. I have never heard Sarah complain, so things must be horrendous there.

Hopefully this will help future events be run as they should be.

Mike
 
I watched the Kim vs Zarah match, and it was rough... I had to force myself to keep watching by saying to myself that it's just the nerves that are making them play like this. I think that it was more nerves than lack of ability for Kim Jones (not saying that she's an 'A' player), but with Zarah... man, she couldn't run two balls. It was kind of funny/sad listening to the announcers try to make it seem like Zarah had this amazing strategy in mind with her play that just didn't work out. All in all, this match should not have been the TV match.

The next match I watched was Yu Ram vs an 11 year old qualifier from the Philippines name Gillian Go. No need to say anything about Yu Ram's game, we all know that she can play. I just want to mention Gillian's game. This girl is going to be a monster player when she gets older. Right now, she could give Kim Jones the 5 out and Zarah the 3 out playing 10 ball. If it wasn't for nerves, she might have beaten Yu Ram.

In conclusion, I do agree that some of these girls should not have even been invited to the tournament, but it'll be a good experience for them in the long run. The only way they'll get used to the nerves is to play in big events against players who completely outshine them on the table. But, that doesn't mean that they should have been on the TV table, even if they are sexy.
 
Bigtruck said:
This sounds like CW didn't even try.



The money is nice, but what the ladies need is for US to stand up WITH them against this type of thing. The "conditions" won't improve, they will continue to get worse, as long as we keep giving CW a free pass "because he does do much for pool". He will continue to be disrespectful to women. (I would be enraged if I traveled 100 miles and experienced this kind of treatment)



One's perpective? Joey, did you read the same blog as I did? Let's put aside the exploiting and just look at the conditions. 5 tables! Tables poorly setup (curvy rails), sun & rain on tables, race to 5, unfair selection process.


Joey,

I think you are a great commentator and I know you are trying to be diplomatic here, but I'm afraid what is happening in this event is only scratching the surface of what is REALLY going on in the CW camp.

Ray
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Ray,

Your posts in regards to CW continue to be inflammatory and full of innuendos. I don't know what you or anyone else thinks that accomplishes. Thanks for the nice words about me being a great commentator. We're still buds but we just differ on the way and manner of how to resolve problems.

It is apparent that there are two schools of thought on how you get things done and how you get problems corrected.

It has always been my school of thought is that if you have a legitimate complaint about something you are involved in, you go to the source and do the complaining or the expressing of your opinion and try to have it resolved there.

You do it in private, you do it with respect to the other person or company. It seems that you and many other posters make every attempt to condemn CW and DP at every turn. It may just be my perspective and no one else's but if I were as concerned about the goings on as you and other posters seem to be, I would be requesting audiences with the parties or at least writing respectful letters condemning the things you see as unjust. THEN-MAYBE, just maybe, the parties might consider what you are saying.

To think that the pocket billiard industry is mainly about excellence in pocket billiard skills is myopic at best.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about the way any tournament is run including this one. I'm just saying that there are many more things that have to be considered to run a successful enterprise.
Without the hard work of Cindy Lee, Charlie Williams and all of the players in their stable there would not be any money being earned by anyone.

There will always be ways to improve the way tournaments are promoted and held but constructive criticism applied to where it will do some good is far more important to change than shouting off the roof top of some large building.

Sarah is a great gal but she does herself no good (even though her complaints seem something to complain about), nor do we by attempting to denigrate those who are making an effort to improve the lot of pool.

If there is a better way, let those who complain the loudest get off their duffs and do it better.

Look, I fully understand everyone's frustration and everyone has a right to complain about whatever bothers them but jumping on CW, DP or any other pool entity at every turn makes about as much sense as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Maybe the incessant public condemnations might bring about change or maybe an end to CW and DP's work in the pool world. I believe change is more easily brought about by discussion with the parties involved, interaction with them and hard work.

Maybe you and others think the pool world would be better off without CW and DP and maybe that is what you would like to see. If so, then I personally think you are misjudging what is best for the pool world.

Sincerely,

JoeyA
 
I understand that DP is a business and they make their money on ratings and TV slots so it makes sense for them to want to highlight attractive players and invite whoever they want. However, that should only be true for an INVITATIONAL event, not a WORLD Championship. Regardless to how any of us feel about the players in the event, if they own the event it is their discretion to run it however they want, but not in the case of a World Championship. I'm surprised the WPA isn't more involved in the selection/invitation process. You would think that as a WORLD Championship they would be regulating the invites, I'm actually surprised DP has so much say so in the attendees.
 
JoeyA said:
Ray,

Your posts in regards to CW continue to be inflammatory and full of innuendos. I don't know what you or anyone else thinks that accomplishes. Thanks for the nice words about me being a great commentator. We're still buds but we just differ on the way and manner of how to resolve problems.

It is apparent that there are two schools of thought on how you get things done and how you get problems corrected.

It has always been my school of thought is that if you have a legitimate complaint about something you are involved in, you go to the source and do the complaining or the expressing of your opinion and try to have it resolved there.

You do it in private, you do it with respect to the other person or company. It seems that you and many other posters make every attempt to condemn CW and DP at every turn. It may just be my perspective and no one else's but if I were as concerned about the goings on as you and other posters seem to be, I would be requesting audiences with the parties or at least writing respectful letters condemning the things you see as unjust. THEN-MAYBE, just maybe, the parties might consider what you are saying.

To think that the pocket billiard industry is mainly about excellence in pocket billiard skills is myopic at best.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about the way any tournament is run including this one. I'm just saying that there are many more things that have to be considered to run a successful enterprise.
Without the hard work of Cindy Lee, Charlie Williams and all of the players in their stable there would not be any money being earned by anyone.

There will always be ways to improve the way tournaments are promoted and held but constructive criticism applied to where it will do some good is far more important to change than shouting off the roof top of some large building.

Sarah is a great gal but she does herself no good (even though her complaints seem something to complain about), nor do we by attempting to denigrate those who are making an effort to improve the lot of pool.

If there is a better way, let those who complain the loudest get off their duffs and do it better.

Look, I fully understand everyone's frustration and everyone has a right to complain about whatever bothers them but jumping on CW, DP or any other pool entity at every turn makes about as much sense as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Maybe the incessant public condemnations might bring about change or maybe an end to CW and DP's work in the pool world. I believe change is more easily brought about by discussion with the parties involved, interaction with them and hard work.

Maybe you and others think the pool world would be better off without CW and DP and maybe that is what you would like to see. If so, then I personally think you are misjudging what is best for the pool world.

Sincerely,

JoeyA
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Well said sir. I may not agree with every point...but I like and respect your argument and your manner of delivering it.

Melissa
 
CrisDeLaGarza said:
I understand that DP is a business and they make their money on ratings and TV slots so it makes sense for them to want to highlight attractive players and invite whoever they want. However, that should only be true for an INVITATIONAL event, not a WORLD Championship. Regardless to how any of us feel about the players in the event, if they own the event it is their discretion to run it however they want, but not in the case of a World Championship. I'm surprised the WPA isn't more involved in the selection/invitation process. You would think that as a WORLD Championship they would be regulating the invites, I'm actually surprised DP has so much say so in the attendees.
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This post makes some sense. From our perspective (those who perceive excellence in pocket billiards as the most important aspect of pool) your post makes perfect sense.

However, just think about all of the World Championship Titles in boxing, cage fighting, wrestling etc.

I think the WPA should be more involved with setting the parameters for a world championship but they are apparently not that strong of an entity.

Until then, promoters can and will have their own version of World Championships, albeit perhaps diluted by sub standard play in some cases.

JoeyA
 
JB Cases said:
Further adding to the embarrassment they are featuring those players on the TV table in front of perhaps the most knowledgeable audience in the world when it comes to understanding what good pool should be.

Shame.
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So much to say after reading her blog-article, and what JB said was the first thing that crossed my mind too...

Keep ranting Sarah. Speak up if you are not satisfied, that's the only way to hope for improvements!

Good luck in the rest of the tournament
 
JoeyA said:
Ray,

Your posts in regards to CW continue to be inflammatory and full of innuendos. I don't know what you or anyone else thinks that accomplishes. Thanks for the nice words about me being a great commentator. We're still buds but we just differ on the way and manner of how to resolve problems.

It is apparent that there are two schools of thought on how you get things done and how you get problems corrected.

It has always been my school of thought is that if you have a legitimate complaint about something you are involved in, you go to the source and do the complaining or the expressing of your opinion and try to have it resolved there.

You do it in private, you do it with respect to the other person or company. It seems that you and many other posters make every attempt to condemn CW and DP at every turn. It may just be my perspective and no one else's but if I were as concerned about the goings on as you and other posters seem to be, I would be requesting audiences with the parties or at least writing respectful letters condemning the things you see as unjust. THEN-MAYBE, just maybe, the parties might consider what you are saying.

To think that the pocket billiard industry is mainly about excellence in pocket billiard skills is myopic at best.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about the way any tournament is run including this one. I'm just saying that there are many more things that have to be considered to run a successful enterprise.
Without the hard work of Cindy Lee, Charlie Williams and all of the players in their stable there would not be any money being earned by anyone.

There will always be ways to improve the way tournaments are promoted and held but constructive criticism applied to where it will do some good is far more important to change than shouting off the roof top of some large building.

Sarah is a great gal but she does herself no good (even though her complaints seem something to complain about), nor do we by attempting to denigrate those who are making an effort to improve the lot of pool.

If there is a better way, let those who complain the loudest get off their duffs and do it better.

Look, I fully understand everyone's frustration and everyone has a right to complain about whatever bothers them but jumping on CW, DP or any other pool entity at every turn makes about as much sense as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Maybe the incessant public condemnations might bring about change or maybe an end to CW and DP's work in the pool world. I believe change is more easily brought about by discussion with the parties involved, interaction with them and hard work.

Maybe you and others think the pool world would be better off without CW and DP and maybe that is what you would like to see. If so, then I personally think you are misjudging what is best for the pool world.

Sincerely,

JoeyA
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You ALWAYS have to be the grown-up, responsible adult with all the correct answers??? ;)

I agree with a lot of what you said Joey. While I wrote "keep ranting" to Sarah, I meant that it is positive to let us know what is going on.

I expect her to have already discussed all these issues with DP and Charlie already, and if she haven't, I am a bit dissapointed of her.

Yes, the BEST way is to keep it in private, but honestly Joey, this isn't the first time I have heard similar stories about playing conditions etc. at big tournaments, but never in public before. Perhaps getting it out in public too actually will help this time?

I also agree 100 % with you that some people seem to "bash" CW for everything he does, even if he puts up great tournaments too, like the Predator 10-ball for example. CW is doing a lot of good things for pool, like it or not.
 
I bet she would love to get back to where things are logical....
Sorry to hear about your misfortune Sarah...
Races to 5...LOL!!!! What a joke that is in itself...
 
Pretty nice to see a well written blog regarding a sticky situation. Too many times people that complain are unable to articulate their ideas. Considering this event is still going on, I think Sarah did an outstanding job putting her ideas together. Kudos to her.
 
JoeyA said:
Without the hard work of Cindy Lee, Charlie Williams and all of the players in their stable there would not be any money being earned by anyone.

So, it's apparently okay with you to manipulate the draw, put up terrible playing conditions, and "personally invite and pay expenses" for players who cannot 'run three balls'...while ignoring true champion players?

There will always be ways to improve the way tournaments are promoted and held but constructive criticism applied to where it will do some good is far more important to change than shouting off the roof top of some large building.

It's not 'shouting off the rooftop' Joey. It's legitimately complaning on the world's foremost pool forum...and it should be done by a LOT more players, who are put in this position, because of CW's insatiable need for attention.

Sarah is a great gal but she does herself no good (even though her complaints seem something to complain about), nor do we by attempting to denigrate those who are making an effort to improve the lot of pool.

At least she had the guts to stand up for what was WRONG with this 'event' (I, for one, refuse to acknowledge this 'parade' as a legitimate World Championship).

Maybe the incessant public condemnations might bring about change or maybe an end to CW and DP's work in the pool world. I believe change is more easily brought about by discussion with the parties involved, interaction with them and hard work.

Oh please! Do you really think CW gives a rat's ass about how other players feel...and even more, will make changes based on face-to-face "discussion" (he hasn't yet...what should prompt him to start now)? Take off the rose-colored glasses.

Maybe you and others think the pool world would be better off without CW and DP and maybe that is what you would like to see. If so, then I personally think you are misjudging what is best for the pool world.

Sincerely,

JoeyA
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Joey...90% of what CW and DP do is outside the U.S. (and most of it in Korea, because CW has managed to get corporate sponsorship there...good for him for that). All people here are asking for is a even playing field...for EVERYBODY...not some made-for-tv b.s. We've been spoon-fed that crap for years by ESPN. This event reminds me of 3 decades ago, when any promoter could call his tournament a World Championship. At least back then, although 99% of the players were American (unlike today), ALL of the top players were in attendance.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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