I would love to try this. Sounds like it might work very well.
Saturday Only Tournament
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I would love to try this. Sounds like it might work very well.
Single elimination is the tournament format. They have brackets exactly like pool tournaments with out the losers side. If you lose your OUT, you go home, you gamble, you do whatever as the rest of your day is NOT spent waiting and wondering when you will play next.
OK, shorter race in a single elimination one day tournament where 2 people, in the
house, can still be accounted for attending the finale?
The great billiard tournament of the future will be when there are more people
attending and cheering at the end than there was at the beginning, all within 3 - 4 hrs. tops.
Your best of 3 has its place, value, carrying forward against the whole field.
house, can still be accounted for attending the finale?
The great billiard tournament of the future will be when there are more people
attending and cheering at the end than there was at the beginning, all within 3 - 4 hrs. tops.
Your best of 3 has its place, value, carrying forward against the whole field.
Well, i hate to be the grinch bere, but your math only works on paper because in real life, unless you're adding a sack full of cash, you're NOT going to get 64 players to put up $100 each and play for their own money, the risk vs reward is not there. Secondly, there is no chance of the matches meeting your ti.e frames, and that's speaking from experience, not guessing, you give players to much credit to think they can play within a set time frame. You make money as the TD, the location looks to make money....and over hallf the players are going to end up losers..... don't sound like it's much different than what's been going on for years already, and it's not working, but thats just my opinion, got any other ideas?
Not yet, but there's a few that know what it is and agree it'll change the world of pool.
Island Drive is a smart guy and has been around pool for a long time. He isn't looking for input on how long the tournament will take or whether he can do it. He's asking, assuming it will work, would you be interested in playing at the higher entry fee. It's really a yes/no question.
Just FYI though, I used to run tournaments for several bars around Denver and we would routinely get 40-50 players in a handicapped double elim tournament with a Calcutta and play it out that night. Calcutta starting at 7, tournament right after- maybe 7:30 or so - finishing by 2 or 3 am. Island drive would play in those tournaments from time to time.
If you have enough tables and a td that's "on it" you can do it.
His idea of playing best of 3 short sets is interesting and I would like to try it.
I am interested in hearing your ideas too when you are ready to share them.
Played in well over a hundred single elimination 9 ball, race to 7, finals to 9, tournaments in NYC during the late 90s. Many had 64 player fields and, until they were prohibited, calcuttas. Entry fees were about $25 - $30.
The rooms, Whitestone Billiards, Bayside Billiard Club (BBC), Leisure Time, Millennium, Golden Cue, all had over 20 tables, as did Chelsea and Amsterdam, and these were held weekly. One could easily play in five tournaments a week, I usually did one or two.
The tournaments started around 7PM, calcutta, maybe a 1/2 hour practice, then the matches. Usually, with full brackets, if you made it deep or to the finals, you could expect to be there until around 1AM, and often the finals sometime around 2AM, or after....fun days with some nice payouts.
The rooms, Whitestone Billiards, Bayside Billiard Club (BBC), Leisure Time, Millennium, Golden Cue, all had over 20 tables, as did Chelsea and Amsterdam, and these were held weekly. One could easily play in five tournaments a week, I usually did one or two.
The tournaments started around 7PM, calcutta, maybe a 1/2 hour practice, then the matches. Usually, with full brackets, if you made it deep or to the finals, you could expect to be there until around 1AM, and often the finals sometime around 2AM, or after....fun days with some nice payouts.
Thanks, that's good information.
Bill,
Contact Paul Schofield at Gold Crown Billiards in Erie, PA. He runs a 64 player nine ball event in ONE day on 9 foot tables! Starts play around Noon on Saturdayand finishes slightly after Midnight. His rules are unusual but very playable.
Lyn
Contact Paul Schofield at Gold Crown Billiards in Erie, PA. He runs a 64 player nine ball event in ONE day on 9 foot tables! Starts play around Noon on Saturdayand finishes slightly after Midnight. His rules are unusual but very playable.
Lyn
Lyn thx,
I've already talked with em before, I want to keep it simple, and not reinvent/explain etc. His thing works good for em up there and that's great.
But the post from JimmyG having played in many events in NY city starting at 7pm and finishing at 1 or 2am, could easily have a MUCH earlier start time and a much earlier ending time.
Jimmy G....hit the nail on the head. Those events he played in with 64 players lasted 7-8 hours. So if ya started at noon or 11am you'd be done by early dinner time, and still go out on the town.
This below statement is also HUGE, for a business owner.
The room owners tables are OPEN for his regular Sat. night customers by starting and event mid day or 11am.
Also, toss in a simple breakfast buffet available for the players.
Just as a PS, Bill...most, if not all these tournaments were held during weeknights, likely due to the fact that during the weekends the rooms were already full and making money. Also is the fact that all of these rooms served a pretty nice assortment of food and drink, which added to the owner's revenue during the week day tournaments, so they didn't mind setting aside most of their tables. Don't know the arrangements between the tournament directors and the owners, but for the players everything except food was included in the entry fees.
Good luck..it's a lot of work. Most money cashers tipped the TD.
Coming back at this with a different attitude; I like putting games together to, especially
where the whole field is in play till the end within a shorter time frame.
I'll through this out there for fun;
Modifying for 8-ball, your time limit -2 hrs. (Match times 10/12/2/4/6/8) everyone plays
their match within the 2 hr. limit per round, using the BCA point scoring (1 point per ball,
10 points for the win), each match consist of 3 games, post total points earned per
match on a leader board, next round of pairings would simply follow the order of the
leader board from the bottom up, repeat the next 4 rounds on schedule for a total of 18
games per player within the 6 rounds for the winner(s) in the money). The field size is
determined by the number of tables available. I’m guessing 7 – 8 strength players
should play 3 games within 30 minutes? If you have a lot of tables, shorten the 2 hr.
per round time limit even more.
where the whole field is in play till the end within a shorter time frame.
I'll through this out there for fun;
Modifying for 8-ball, your time limit -2 hrs. (Match times 10/12/2/4/6/8) everyone plays
their match within the 2 hr. limit per round, using the BCA point scoring (1 point per ball,
10 points for the win), each match consist of 3 games, post total points earned per
match on a leader board, next round of pairings would simply follow the order of the
leader board from the bottom up, repeat the next 4 rounds on schedule for a total of 18
games per player within the 6 rounds for the winner(s) in the money). The field size is
determined by the number of tables available. I’m guessing 7 – 8 strength players
should play 3 games within 30 minutes? If you have a lot of tables, shorten the 2 hr.
per round time limit even more.
And how many of those weeknight tournaments require a $50 or $100 entry fee?
As I said in my first post Glen, I played in those tournaments during the late nineties and the entry fees were in the $25 to $35 range, plus calcutta cost (minimum purchase $10) . Every six months or so they would have a "super tournament" for those who played in a certain amount of regular weekly tournaments, the entry fee would be raised to about $50, but between the increased prize and calcutta monies, it was well worth it, I can recall one such tournament where 1st prize totaled $3,200.00. PS: these were all handicapped.