Sawstop video

I have not seen that video before - WOW! I had read that it was expensive to restore the saw back to working condition. They mention a $50 or $60 cost for the part, but then there is the blade too. Somehow it just seems wrong to be using a $10 or $15 blade on an expensive saw like that, so I'm guessing that each of those hot dogs and the finger demo cost around $100-$150.

Now that's OUCH! But YES, it's better than losing a finger!!

My 2 cents,

Gary
 
that saw does work..i'm a union carpenter in philly...and know of a couple of companies that use them....the cost of that type of injury on the job is astronomical...well worth the additional cost for the saw stop...joe
 
For a compnay, I sure can see the cost factor to be worth it. For home use, the contractor saw is around $1500, and the cabinet saw is $3200:yikes:
Way to much for me to afford. The inventor has tried to have the Feds require this to be put on to all the saws manufactured and imported for sale in the country. It sounds like a great idea, until you find out how much he wants for the licensing rights. When auto makers have developed big safety break-thrus, like the 3 point seatbelt, they have offered the licensing rights for free to be installed in any automobile. The reason for doing that is that it was developed to save lives, and provide safer products, not to enhance someone's wallet. Hopefully this guy will eventually realize this, and do the same. He already is getting hired as an expert to testify in lawsuits against manufacturers of saws when someone gets hurt. His angle is that he offered them the technology so they could offer a safer product and if they don't use it (pay what he wants for the use of the patent), they should be held liable for the accident even if it was operator error (as most are). An Columbian immigrant using a Ryobi saw just won a big lawsuit here in Ma. this past year using him and his arguement. http://www.woodshopnews.com/news/news-desk/498930-table-saw-suit-nets-15m-verdict
Dave
 
Dave38 said:
For a compnay, I sure can see the cost factor to be worth it. For home use, the contractor saw is around $1500, and the cabinet saw is $3200:yikes:
Way to much for me to afford. The inventor has tried to have the Feds require this to be put on to all the saws manufactured and imported for sale in the country. It sounds like a great idea, until you find out how much he wants for the licensing rights. When auto makers have developed big safety break-thrus, like the 3 point seatbelt, they have offered the licensing rights for free to be installed in any automobile. The reason for doing that is that it was developed to save lives, and provide safer products, not to enhance someone's wallet. Hopefully this guy will eventually realize this, and do the same. He already is getting hired as an expert to testify in lawsuits against manufacturers of saws when someone gets hurt. His angle is that he offered them the technology so they could offer a safer product and if they don't use it (pay what he wants for the use of the patent), they should be held liable for the accident even if it was operator error (as most are). An Columbian immigrant using a Ryobi saw just won a big lawsuit here in Ma. this past year using him and his arguement. http://www.woodshopnews.com/news/news-desk/498930-table-saw-suit-nets-15m-verdict
Dave
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The man certainly has the right to make money on his idea. However, from what I have heard and seen he is just greedy. I have to imagine he could have modestly made 10's of millions by selling rights for reasonable sums.....maybe not. I do know that for some there is just never enough to be happy...

I would rather be a well respected multi millionaire than that "greedy money grubbing billionaire".

That is just me though. I, for some reason, care about the kind of legacy I leave behind..
 
This invention has been around for sometime now, haven't read on it in several years but the last time I did read an article it cost $150 plus the cost of the blade you were using, but thats a small price for a hand or an arm. While i am on this subject, dont ever ever ever wear long sleeves while working with a table saw. If the cloth ever slightly touches the blade it will snag and saw your arm/hand off in a millisecond, no time to react, no going back, you are screwed. This happens, on average, 10 times a year, you just don't hear about it.
 
pescadoman said:
I would rather be a well respected multi millionaire than that "greedy money grubbing billionaire".

That is just me though. I, for some reason, care about the kind of legacy I leave behind..
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I agree with you whole heartedly.
Concerning the cost, it is around $100 to replace the module, but the saw itself has to be designed to use it which is were the real increase of the cost of the saw comes in. $1500 for a contractor saw is just too rich for nme. I think the other companies may be waiting for the patent to run down, or are looking for ways to adapt their own version to lessen the costs. Gass does seem to be a greedy guy. After all, he was a well off Patent lawyer before all this. Makes one think if this technology was really his own idea.......
Dave
 
Dave38 said:
I agree with you whole heartedly.
Concerning the cost, it is around $100 to replace the module, but the saw itself has to be designed to use it which is were the real increase of the cost of the saw comes in. $1500 for a contractor saw is just too rich for nme. I think the other companies may be waiting for the patent to run down, or are looking for ways to adapt their own version to lessen the costs. Gass does seem to be a greedy guy. After all, he was a well off Patent lawyer before all this. Makes one think if this technology was really his own idea.......
Dave
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I have to believe that, even if it required casting a new trunnion assembly, all of the major manufacturers would jump all over this if it wasn't for some gouging for patent privileges.

His saw is just another Taiwanese piece of machinery with a good idea incorporated. A redesign by someone like Delta would be an afterthought. They just put out the new Unisaw recently and the Sawstop has been around for quite some time.

BTW, I have NEVER seen any arguments made that the man was REASONABLE about selling the rights. I have only heard the opinion that he is a money grubber. Considering he has spoken as a witness to sue other manufacturers that didn't buy his technology speaks for itself...
 
I love the concept of 'his' technology, as i have, myself, had 3 fingers go into the top of a blade on my 10" saw a few years ago. I was lucky and only minor scars and a small loss of bone were the price for a stupid move. But I don't believe in gouging the public, and using an extortion type move to force it upon the public, and with GREAT profit to the 'inventor' It seems to take away from the service it should serve, protecting people from an inherently dangerous machine, not making millions for the patent holder. Just My .02
Dave
 
Sawstop

Dave38 said:
For a compnay, I sure can see the cost factor to be worth it. For home use, the contractor saw is around $1500, and the cabinet saw is $3200:yikes:
Way to much for me to afford. The inventor has tried to have the Feds require this to be put on to all the saws manufactured and imported for sale in the country. It sounds like a great idea, until you find out how much he wants for the licensing rights. When auto makers have developed big safety break-thrus, like the 3 point seatbelt, they have offered the licensing rights for free to be installed in any automobile. The reason for doing that is that it was developed to save lives, and provide safer products, not to enhance someone's wallet. Hopefully this guy will eventually realize this, and do the same. He already is getting hired as an expert to testify in lawsuits against manufacturers of saws when someone gets hurt. His angle is that he offered them the technology so they could offer a safer product and if they don't use it (pay what he wants for the use of the patent), they should be held liable for the accident even if it was operator error (as most are). An Columbian immigrant using a Ryobi saw just won a big lawsuit here in Ma. this past year using him and his arguement. http://www.woodshopnews.com/news/news-desk/498930-table-saw-suit-nets-15m-verdict
Dave
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Here's the real problem. Lawyers and bleeding heart juries. How about, you just don't stick your hand in the blade. No wonder so much manufacturing is going over seas. Ted Kennedy's car injured (killed) more people than my table saw.
 
cutter said:
Here's the real problem. Lawyers and bleeding heart juries. How about, you just don't stick your hand in the blade. No wonder so much manufacturing is going over seas. Ted Kennedy's car injured (killed) more people than my table saw.
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+1

As far as Kennedy and getting away with manslaughter... It isn't what you know, it is who you know.....sad state of affairs. His punishment was he was ONLY a Senator....

A substandard student who did things that I would be ashamed of and spent many years in prison for, went unpunished.

I've been pulled over more than 5 times for DUI in California and get arrested every time because I won't do the circus act sobriety tests. Handcuffed and made to wait 15 mins to blow, thank you very much.

I must be doing something suspicious right?? Let's see. The last time I was pulled over, I made a U turn over a double broken line and they said it was illegal. They cuffed me, searched my car, drove me 10 mins to the station to blow, locked my GF out of my truck and held my keys(it was 2am and below 50-the restaurant was closed and she had to wait outside for a ride). I blew a whopping .04.

Time before that, I was pulled over for having a trailer hitch. Yes a trailer hitch. Just a normal one, not some goliath thing. They said it was illegal. I replied "you mean just like that one?". I happened to pull over behind a parked truck with the same hitch as mine attached. I was a half mile from my house and had gone to Taco Bell for some food. I had been drinking Coke, but more than one. Detained for 15 mins while they tried to trip me up with stuff like reading my DL number back incorrectly(I had left it at my house).

I can go on, but I'm not going to....

BTW, even though I can carry a gun legally in just about every other State that allows it, the Sheriff won't issue me a permit because of being arrested. I have never been convicted, but they said "attracting the attention of the Police is enough". This is after being forced to wait a YEAR after my detailed application was submitted.
 
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Reading the Ryobi trial. I don't understand how Ryobi could be responsible in any way for somebody not operating a saw properly. If you handle it correctly, the wood gets cut and not your hand.

My father was a carpenter all his life. He had an old cast table saw in the garage. He taught me how to use it when I was approx 8 yrs old.
I used to go into the garage after school and cut strips for kite ribs.
I still have all my fingers.

I have a pretty powerful table saw. The only mishap I had was taking off the saw guard off one day so I could see the wood better. The wood bucked and threw the piece back and hit me in the chest. Wow, did that hurt. I always use a push stick and I didn't have the stick on the wood properly otherwise it might not have bucked back.
That was my fault and not the saws.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Reading the Ryobi trial. I don't understand how Ryobi could be responsible in any way for somebody not operating a saw properly. If you handle it correctly, the wood gets cut and not your hand.

My father was a carpenter all his life. He had an old cast table saw in the garage. He taught me how to use it when I was approx 8 yrs old.
I used to go into the garage after school and cut strips for kite ribs.
I still have all my fingers.

I have a pretty powerful table saw. The only mishap I had was taking off the saw guard off one day so I could see the wood better. The wood bucked and threw the piece back and hit me in the chest. Wow, did that hurt. I always use a push stick and I didn't have the stick on the wood properly otherwise it might not have bucked back.
That was my fault and not the saws.
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We live in the US, where you can get sued when someone is robbing your house and hurts THEMSELVES!!!!
 
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