Say it ain't so Michela Fired!?!?!

Colin Colenso said:
She was clearly fast tracked due to her looks, and that troubles me naught, it just adds to the irony and hypocrisy. Yeah, she did a decent job too, her being popular did not work in a player's favor when they acted up in her presence.

That does not give her the right to execute coercive means to extract money from an employer she wasn't entirely satisfied with.

Colin
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Bro, do you really talk like that?
 
sjm said:
I am bothered by the presumption of many that Michaela's career was built entirely on the foundation of her sexuality. While there can be no denying that being an attractive woman has contributed to her popularity with her fans, the fact is that she's an outstanding referee and one of the most effective when it comes to restoring order when competitors get out of line. It is further likely that her attractiveness helped make her more popular among her colleagues and bosses, and, fair or unfair, that's the norm in most working environments.

Nonetheless, the law protects employees from bias based on gender, race, accent, etc. While none of us know the facts, let's hope that if Michaela has been denied the kind of working environment that employees are guaranteed by law, she will be properly compensated.
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What's this, a voice of logic? No way! Not here! Greenie to you.

2strong4u said:
It's fine when they are promoted for their appearance. Then they get a little older and now it's time to say how badly they were treated. You aren't entitled to a job. If it's intolerable you leave. She wasn't some immigrant single mother on a visa without options. Playing the victim for a few bucks, nonsense.
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And then we have this. Where in the hell did you come up with this? So she wasn't promoted because she is a top notch referee? If an employer fired you wife, or made it , as you say," intolerable" because she was getting older, would you not file a lawsuit? Damn right you would! Its not your breath that stinks, its because you are talking out of your ass!
 
As spartan initially pointed out, almost everyone in this thread is confusing sexual harassment with sexual discrimination. Almost everyone is talking as if Michaela is suing for sexual harassment and she is not. She is suing for sexual discrimination.

Sexual harassment (not what Michaela is claiming) is "hey baby nice t!ts" and the like constantly from coworkers or getting her a$$ pinched in the workplace or getting gratuitous sexual advances after she has already let the person know they are unwanted and that they need to stop or it could be the boss telling her she better put out if she wants to keep her job, etc.

Sexual discrimination (what Michaela is claiming) means that you are being unfairly treated different because of your gender. Like a woman who says she performs her job just as good as the men with the same job but is getting paid less simply because she is a woman. Or a work culture where only the men are getting promotions and women who were more deserving were passed over simply because they were women. Or the woman reporter that says she gets the crappy reporting assignments just because she is a woman even though she is as good or better than the other male reporters.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-snooker-referee-michaela-tabb-6384444
Per that article and what little else is available on the web Michaela is saying that she didn't get a bonus simply because she is a woman. I don't know the details but based on what is out there I am presuming the situation is something along these lines:

There is a bonus (yearly?) that Barry Hearn gives out to referees he feels are deserving. Michaela didn't get that bonus last year but other male/s who Michaela feels are less deserving did get the bonus. Michaela feels that these other male referees were given the bonus simply because they were males. It was favoritism because of their gender. This would be a form of sexual discrimination. Michaela threw a fit about not receiving the bonus to Barry Hearn. For whatever the reason, Barry was pissed at Michaela for throwing the fit about it and didn't use her as a referee any more in world events that year, kind of like taking an employee off the schedule and giving them no hours. Michaela realizes after months go by that she is basically screwed now and likely won't be getting much work from Barry in the future so she decides to go ahead and just quit and sue Barry for sexual discrimination instead. Might as well in her mind since he isn't giving her much work any more anyway so there is nothing to lose now.

So the question at hand is did other male referees who were less deserving get this bonus simply because they were males, or said in another way, was Michaela just as deserving of the bonus as the males that received it but she didn't get it because she was female? That is why they are in court now (or at least that is the only part that we know about at this point).
 
I would be interested in the views of our snooker playing posters on her skills as a referee. I seem to recall seeing a number of matches on YouTube where she did not know a rule and the players had to correct her.

Gideon<~~~~thinks she was a good pool ref
 
Poolplaya9 said:
As spartan initially pointed out, almost everyone in this thread is confusing sexual harassment with sexual discrimination. Almost everyone is talking as if Michaela is suing for sexual harassment and she is not. She is suing for sexual discrimination.

Sexual harassment (not what Michaela is claiming) is "hey baby nice t!ts" and the like constantly from coworkers or getting her a$$ pinched in the workplace or getting gratuitous sexual advances after she has already let the person know they are unwanted and that they need to stop or it could be the boss telling her she better put out if she wants to keep her job, etc.

Sexual discrimination (what Michaela is claiming) means that you are being unfairly treated different because of your gender. Like a woman who says she performs her job just as good as the men with the same job but is getting paid less simply because she is a woman. Or a work culture where only the men are getting promotions and women who were more deserving were passed over simply because they were women. Or the woman reporter that says she gets the crappy reporting assignments just because she is a woman even though she is as good or better than the other male reporters.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-snooker-referee-michaela-tabb-6384444
Per that article and what little else is available on the web Michaela is saying that she didn't get a bonus simply because she is a woman. I don't know the details but based on what is out there I am presuming the situation is something along these lines:

There is a bonus (yearly?) that Barry Hearn gives out to referees he feels are deserving. Michaela didn't get that bonus last year but other male/s who Michaela feels are less deserving did get the bonus. Michaela feels that these other male referees were given the bonus simply because they were males. It was favoritism because of their gender. This would be a form of sexual discrimination. Michaela threw a fit about not receiving the bonus to Barry Hearn. For whatever the reason, Barry was pissed at Michaela for throwing the fit about it and didn't use her as a referee any more in world events that year, kind of like taking an employee off the schedule and giving them no hours. Michaela realizes after months go by that she is basically screwed now and likely won't be getting much work from Barry in the future so she decides to go ahead and just quit and sue Barry for sexual discrimination instead. Might as well in her mind since he isn't giving her much work any more anyway so there is nothing to lose now.

So the question at hand is did other male referees who were less deserving get this bonus simply because they were males, or said in another way, was Michaela just as deserving of the bonus as the males that received it but she didn't get it because she was female? That is why they are in court now (or at least that is the only part that we know about at this point).
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Being somewhat of a hippy, I prefer the term Gender Discrimination to Sexual Discrimination.

That said, I encourage gender discrimination.

I don't want to get sued by some fat bloke who got pissed coz I married a pretty girl... or vice versa... to be PC :grin-square:

Colin
 
BasementDweller said:
Yeah -- I still think it's pretty far off.

While I agree that any guy that would act like this is a dirt bag loser, it's still not the same as rape. Actually, if the woman went through with it, it would be much closer to prostitution. Prostitutes have to keep a roof over their heads too you know.

Now back to pool...
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It wouldn't be even close to prostitution! A prostitute is a willing
participant in what she's doing, thats her job.
A woman working billiard events shouldn't be harassed in anyway.
The problem with situations like this is, guys have such a bad
reputation with this stuff, that the respect for woman is declining
again in the mainstream and it just ends up another '' boys will be boys''
scenario.
 
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JAM said:
My opinion is she may be hoping to an undisclosed monetary settlement of out court. You can sue for anything, but it doesn't mean you can win. Some peope who are sued will settle just get rid of the anxiety of going through legal proceedings, especially if they're covered in the press. Pay 'em to go away.
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They will come to an agreement out of court, almost certainly. They have nothing to gain be a popular celebrity going on talks how's over there with her story.

The one who said this will limit promotion of more females as refs was dead on. They won't put up with it again.

Too funny she sold dildos before...shocking.
 
buckshotshoey said:
What's this, a voice of logic? No way! Not here! Greenie to you.



And then we have this. Where in the hell did you come up with this? So she wasn't promoted because she is a top notch referee? If an employer fired you wife, or made it , as you say," intolerable" because she was getting older, would you not file a lawsuit? Damn right you would! Its not your breath that stinks, its because you are talking out of your ass!
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I've worked for horrible people before. It's called a job. If some idiot wants to get their rocks off on a power trip what are my options? Leave, wait to be let go or shoot them in the face....this is what being an employee is all about. Last employer paid me severance because their good name is all that matters to them. I'm fine with being paid off.

Her saying she was sexually harassed is ridiculuous. It's only when they were done with her that all this came about. How convenient.
 
scsuxci said:
It wouldn't be even close to prostitution! A prostitute is a willing
participant in what she's doing, thats her job.
A woman working billiard events shouldn't be harassed in anyway.
The problem with situations like this is, guys have such a bad
reputation with this stuff, that the respect for woman is declining
again in the mainstream and it just ends up another '' boys will be boys''
scenario.
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Wrong answer.

BasementDweller is right on... that would be much closer to prostitution than rape.


However, there are a couple things wrong in your post though.

1) A girl who has sex with her boss is also willing just as you say the prostitute is. Good for BasementDweller in saying that his daughters would know this.
and
2)Respect for women is not declining. Check back into history.


The one thing you got right though is "A woman working billiard events shouldn't be harassed" That I will agree with you on.
 
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2strong4u said:
I've worked for horrible people before. It's called a job. If some idiot wants to get their rocks off on a power trip what are my options? Leave, wait to be let go or shoot them in the face....this is what being an employee is all about. Last employer paid me severance because their good name is all that matters to them. I'm fine with being paid off.

Her saying she was sexually harassed is ridiculuous. It's only when they were done with her that all this came about. How convenient.
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So are you saying she wasn't harassed or are you saying there's a
expiration date on when someone is allowed to say they've been
violated or harassed?
If people think because she had a older job selling sex toys makes it
excusable for harassment is showing a poor moral compass IMO.
 
(((Satori))) said:
Wrong answer.

BasementDweller is right on... it is much closer to prostitution than rape.


However, there are so many things wrong in your post though.

1) A girl who has sex with her boss is also willing just as you say the prostitute is. Good for him in saying that his daughters would know this.
2) A woman who engages in prostitution does not always have a job as a prostitute. I used to date a girl who worked at Twin Peaks... I have heard some stories that prove what you are saying is incorrect. #sugardaddy #prostitution
3) Respect for women is not declining. Check back into history.


The one thing you got right though is "A woman working billiard events shouldn't be harassed"
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Wrong answer to you which is fine, we all have opinions. The problem with
your answer is:
1) You are right if its '' Consensual''which in any situation is wrong if its not.
2) People will find any cracks if it validates there side of the debate.
3) I know history, and as much as things in society has moved forward,
its slowly declining again including , free speech in many places
freedom of religion and from this topic alone making the victim the issue
and barely nothing about the idiots that did it.
The world in general is declining by the day.
 
She has been refereeing Snooker Legends
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Ref...tland-flight/story-27660994-detail/story.html

Michaela Tabb Interview
http://issuu.com/whiskeria/docs/whiskeria_autumn_2015_final_issuu


http://snookermylove.blogspot.ro/2015/09/michaela-tabb-brings-world-snooker-to.html
These claims have been brought forward to Bristol Employment Tribunal where it is expected to hear statements from various snooker players throughout the process which will conclude in a week’s time.

Rumours of some frictions between Tabb and snooker's governing body have been reported at the time of 2014 Australian Golfields Open tournament which she left before its final day, due to unpaid bonus. That was the last time we saw Tabby referee a professional snooker match on the Main Tour.

From the Daily Mail
Michaela Tabb, the first woman to referee a snooker World Championship final, has had an acrimonious falling out with World Snooker. It is believed to be about poor pay and unpaid bonuses and has resulted in a claim for constructive dismissal being heard at an employment tribunal in Bristol.
 
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scsuxci said:
So are you saying she wasn't harassed or are you saying there's a
expiration date on when someone is allowed to say they've been
violated or harassed?
If people think because she had a older job selling sex toys makes it
excusable for harassment is showing a poor moral compass IMO.
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It's simple retribution.

I just think it's funny to think of her selling toys. Women today do whatever they want and find others to be accountable for the outcomes.
 
scsuxci said:
So are you saying she wasn't harassed or are you saying there's a
expiration date on when someone is allowed to say they've been
violated or harassed?
If people think because she had a older job selling sex toys makes it
excusable for harassment is showing a poor moral compass IMO.
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Greenie for you. I cant believe that would be relevant in the least.
 
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